Help on getting a fraternity suspended?

[Ghostface301]

yo I dont got a part in this, im just helping some friends but they need to know what to do.

heres the scoop from her livejournal http://www.livejournal.com/community...ie/262273.html

a calling out
Last nite members of the local Seattle music scene* were mistreated, verbally and physically assaulted and told by the "future doctors and lawyers of the country" that they were going to be bums on the street someday (in addition to various other insults, mostly associated with the word "fag"). One of our friends, who happens to be gay, was called a "faggot" and punched in the face completly unprovoked while he was alone and vunerable. Members of the fraternity threw full beer cans onto one of the bands cars from the top floor. And all of the bands, who were invited and requested to play, were told to get the fuck off of the premise. I'm calling everyone out for support. Please email anyone and everyone you know, in addition to the President of the University of Washington, the President of the U.W. Greek Society, local press, spread the word.

*the divorce, the lashes, dolour, u.s.e., the catch, joe randazzo.


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ermac
2003-06-05 02:33 (link)
that is shit. completely.
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ermac
2003-06-05 02:45 (link)
btw, you said in your journal that you didn't write this. why didn't you just post your own story?
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chaosandcandy
2003-06-05 10:58 (link)
i was referring to a letter i had posted by one of the members from u.s.e. i ended up taking it down and forward it on instead.
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boobee
2003-06-05 11:09 (link)
could you forward that to me? i haven't seen it.

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carebearc
2003-06-05 02:37 (link)
ugh, that's horrible. i was there too, briefly... it must've been the tallboys all of the meat heads were drinking.

no excuse.
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starsalone
2003-06-05 07:54 (link)
i checked out the entry in your journal, and was wondering what s.a.e. was? im sure its the name, but what is it full out?
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looksatthestars
2003-06-05 08:11 (link)
sigma alpha epsilon. my next door neighbors a couple of years ago were all sae's. they were a bunch of bastards at my school. got their charter revoked. looks like its the same thing at uw.
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baronofbrass
2003-06-05 09:04 (link)
yeah, SAE is a notoriously bad house for hazing, partying, being overall assholes, etc.
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it's sad
athena8827
2003-06-05 09:08 (link)
not all SAE's are complete and utter bastards, like the ones at UW. At my college, they were the only frat you could go to and not fear getting date-raped (yeah, nice, I know).

But yeah, in general, I say stay away from frat boys at all costs. And when frat boys do act up, writing a letter to the national office in charge of the fraternity will get them in HUGE trouble. I strongly urge it -- even if it's just obnoxious neighbors.
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Re: it's sad
papasfritas
2003-06-05 10:02 (link)
I think we should be careful about generalizing UW's SAEs too. One of my really good friends is an SAE.
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athena8827
2003-06-05 10:11 (link)
you have my sympathy
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papasfritas
2003-06-05 10:12 (link)
rude
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athena8827
2003-06-05 10:14 (link)
not as rude as the vast majority of frat boys
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baronofbrass
2003-06-05 09:12 (link)
Why did the frat guys start fighting with the bands in the first place? I'm curious, could you give us some more details?
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boobee
2003-06-05 10:03 (link)
there were two separate incidents that lead to the confrontation at the end of the night.

1) a friend of the bands playing, who happens to be gay, was called a "faggot" while in the bathroom at the end of the night and punched in the neck from behind, completely unprovoked.

2) due to various reasons irrelevant to the above, the headling band didn't play. at 2am the bands began loading out their gear to leave. we were called terms like "faggot" and "emo kids", and felt disrespected considering the show went so well during the night, and everyone seemed to have a good time. as they were loading out, the opening band found two long and heavy wooden benches piled on top of their car. the band took the benches off their car, now with a scratched up roof" and threw them (admittingly, with some force) to the side. fraternity brothers started to pelt them with full cans of beer from the third story. the band continued to be sprayed with beer, called "faggots", told to "get the fuck off their property" and had a flashlight shined unrelentlessly in their faces. after some verbal exchanges, the band got in their car and left while the brothers came outside to confront them. The other bands, also loading out and leaving, learned about the unprovoked bathroom attack (see #1 above), brought it to the attention of the brothers coming outside to fight, and chastised them for treating the bands so badly.
From there, many of the brothers took their shirts off asking for a fight, and calling the male members of the other bands "faggots" over and over and over again. there were approximately 20 muscled brothers & 20 band members in the alley, and a neighboring fraternity hanging out their window egging a fight on. words were exhanged (the frat brothers were called "bottom feeders", to which they replied they were rather their future lawyers and doctors). one of the band members was pushed to the ground, and the person that booked the party took a swing at a brother in response but missed. he had his shirt/hair grabbed, was pulled beside a car, and his hands were pulled behind him. i don't believe he was hit, and the police came shortly after. the frat boys ran off while one of the bands stuck around to talk to the police. they were told that shit like this happens all the time with the fraternity, and the only thing they could do is write a letter to the campus and local news publications.
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if people really want to get those frat boys in trouble,
athena8827
2003-06-05 10:13 (link)
people need to write to the national office of SAE frat. The leaders won't be very happy at all and may revoke the charter for the UW SAE's. Including press clippings makes it worse for the idiots at UW

www.saefraternity.org

Click on the links to the "true gentleman" stuff and quote that in any letters to the national office. These guys certainly weren't gentlemen.
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Re: if people really want to get those frat boys in trouble,
chaudfeu
2003-06-05 12:42 (link)
True Gentleman indeed.
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killcity
2003-06-05 09:33 (link)
what a bunch of dipshits. i hope the bands who were harassed definitely write to the press (especially the stranger, uw's daily and tablet).

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motorhome
2003-06-05 10:15 (link)
what venue was this? I cant think of any by frat row in the u-district.
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boobee
2003-06-05 10:17 (link)
it was at the SAE house. they threw a party and asked the bands to play.
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motorhome
2003-06-05 12:33 (link)
the bands played in the same frat that they got harrassed by?
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boobee
2003-06-05 12:51 (link)
yup.

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baronofbrass
2003-06-05 10:18 (link)
No, it was in the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity.
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motorhome
2003-06-05 12:32 (link)
the show was?
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baronofbrass
2003-06-05 15:03 (link)
yep.
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robbi_is_sxe
2003-06-05 12:15 (link)
i just e-mailed the president of that frat, i'd like to hear his side of the story.

http://students.washington.edu/~sigmaae/
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kissame
2003-06-05 14:52 (link)
if he replies, please share what his response is.
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antigrl117
2003-06-05 12:40 (link)
i was there until about midnight. we came to see USE but decided that we didn't want to wait around especially after one of my friends heard one of the guys out side say "man theres some real hot bitches downstairs".

ug.
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athena8827
2003-06-05 14:36 (link)
seriously, I can't stress this enough. If everyone writes to the head honchos at www.saefraternity.org, these jerks are going to get in a lot of trouble. Tell them that little story. They won't be pleased with the idiots making those remarks.


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dumbangel
2003-06-05 15:37 (link)
I was there and saw 95% of it. It was gross and sad. I did however meet several Sigma Alpha Epsilon brothers that night that were very welcoming and friendly, just to be fair.

the rest is true and ugly

j
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chaosandcandy
2003-06-05 19:18 (link)
i totally agree.
some of the guys in the house were really nice.
but anyone who sits by and choose's not to do what is right is almost just as bad as the ones who did it.

thanks for putting that in there though j.

xo
a/
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foxym0xie
2003-06-05 15:55 (link)
NOT THE DIVORCE!!! NOOOOOOOO... What the fuck is WRONG with people?!
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glambam
2003-06-05 18:48 (link)
good one. hahaha
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boobee
2003-06-05 16:01 (link)
If anyone has had a similar experience with SAE, please support us by writing the following people:

UW bi/gay/lesbian/transgendered commission: asuwgblc@u.washington.edu
UW Vice Presidential task force on bglt issues: gblt@u.washington.edu
VP of Student Affairs: ovpsa@u.washington.edu
Executive Directors at SAE headquarters:
> rdemarcho@sae.net
> chancock@sae.net
> rweiers@sae.net
> mwymant@sae.net
> asidman@sae.net
> jmiller@sae.net
> info@sae.net
UW Inter-fraternity Council (IFC): ifc@u.washington.edu
IFC President: belmont@u.washington.edu
Other IFC board members:
> collinp@u.washington.edu
> lesc@u.washington.edu
> alex.barth@seaddb.com
UW panhellenic council (sororities): panhell@u.washington.edu
UW Daily Contacts:
opinion@u.washington.edu
editor@thedaily.washington.edu
newsdpt@thedaily.washington.edu
features@thedaily.washington.edu
arts@thedaily.washington.edu
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heyfatass
2003-06-05 16:35 (link)
That is fucking ridiculous. I'd heard that the night at on frat row "sucked", but I had no idea anything like THAT happened. Was there any provocation from the "Scenester" side, or was it an actual premeditated attempt to humiliate people? In any instance, it's awful.

Is Joe all right? I can't imagine he'd instigate a fight, so I'm assuming it was just because he's gay... that's so terrible. I avoid using this term, but that is " seriously fucked up".

I don't condone the behavior that the SAE brothers showed toward the musicians, and I certainly don't agree with the alleged violence against this girl's gay friend, but I truly believe that their ignorance is a result of being raised in an ignorant kind of society, not because of their fraternity affiliation.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened. Hey hoosier! Do you have a thread to post regarding this situation??? For all I know, this chick's LJ post could be one sided and totally biased.

If people do contact those in charge, I hope they do so because they disagree with what happened...not because they're anti-Greek. That's the feeling I got from reading that thread and its comments.

[sugar and spice]

I'm torn on this issue. On one hand, the guys who were involved in this seem like they were behaving like complete jerks, and there should be some sort of punishment for the way they acted. On the other hand, we only have one side of the story, and it did seem a little biased in the way it was re-told. Furthermore, from the recap, it seems like only 20 (at most) of the SAEs were involved in the little brawl that occurred, while the SAE webpage lists over 50 brothers. Should the entire fraternity be punished for something that not even half the chapter participated in? I don't know. And yes, it seems like a lot of the people who posted just wanted to see these guys shut down because they're a fraternity . . . not because a handful of the guys acted like a-holes.

I'd wait at least until I heard what the SAE president had to say before deciding whether or not to write into the SAE HQ.

[Kevin]

If this really happened AND there are witnesses, why can't they just go to the cops? Sounds pretty clearly like they were well outside the law in doing this. Harrassment, maybe assault.

That's if it really happened. Having NOTHING to substantiate this claim other than the alleged aggreived party I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.

I didn't read all of those responses but saw none that claimed to have witnessed the events that were described, there were people just blindly calling for the heads of the wrongdoers.

Kind of reminds me about this petition that was passed around on my campus during Earth Day calling for a ban of Di-hydrogen monoxide (water).. It got nine pages worth of signatures.

People will usually get behind just about any cause without considering what it is they're behind.

[Ghostface301]

i can tell you right now most of those people are ignorant about greeks, and are biased against fraternitys, but that reason they want them in trouble is mostly because of their gay friend.

i do believe action should be taken against the chapter, because although not all of the the brothers were involved, they have to take some responsibility for what their brothers did and how they represented the orginization.

and as far as exaggeration goes, alcohol can can cause a lot of seemingly smart people to do stupid things

My question is, how do you know they were frat boys? Were they wearing letters? Did everyone just assume they were from SAE? If they were wearing letters, then I do think they should be punished as a chapter. They were representing the Greek community! They should have known better then to wear their letters if they were doing something unbecoming of a member of the Greek community!

Also, I agree with everyone else in wanting to know why the cops didn't get involved as well as the other side of this story. If this was such a big issue within your college community, wouldn't it be on the news or something?

[astroAPhi]

Unfortuantely, something like this happened at a fraternity party at my school. A guy from AB and his real-life little brother beat the hell out of a guy from CD because he was gay and now AB is on probation from their national org.

If that's really the way it went down, with no bias, then something should definitely be done.

Originally posted by That1LoudChick
My question is, how do you know they were frat boys? Were they wearing letters? Did everyone just assume they were from SAE? If they were wearing letters, then I do think they should be punished as a chapter. They were representing the Greek community! They should have known better then to wear their letters if they were doing something unbecoming of a member of the Greek community!

Also, I agree with everyone else in wanting to know why the cops didn't get involved as well as the other side of this story. If this was such a big issue within your college community, wouldn't it be on the news or something?

From the little information that was given on the LJ, it was my understanding that the bands were invited by the fraternity to play at their party, which, I'm assuming, was at the house, since the musicians and their friends were told to leave the property.

I tried doing a search on the incident, but came up with nothing.

At this point, I'd take ktsnake's advice and just take this with a grain of salt. It'd be crazy to jump to conclusions based on "so and so's account of so and so's account" of what happened.

[33girl]

This lj entry sounds like a lot of he said/she said, and I agree that a lot of people seem to be jumping on it because they are anti-Greek. I mean, she wants people who didn't see it and have no idea if it really happened the way she describes to say "hey, SAE did blah blah"? Sorry, but that's f#@$ed up.

The person who was allegedly assaulted and any EYE WITNESSES (not people who randomly read about it) should contact the police if they were assaulted or feel they saw an assault take place. Those should be the only stories needed.

[GeekyPenguin]

And some of the people that she wants contacted (you can see from the LJ) probably won't care. Like the UW Panhell? What are they going to do? This sounds bad, but if Panhells get pissed off at a fraternity every time some members do something stupid, there wouldn't be any fraternities and sororities together. For ex., my WGC (Panhell, essentially) unanimously voted SigEp best fraternity on campus. There are guys in SigEp that we all think are total assholes, but we aren't going to hate the whole group.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Well I don't see how Panhell could do anything anyway. They have no control of the fraternities...or maybe they do at UW?
It seems odd to me that the only action in this incident is a bunch of people getting together over LJ to discuss it.
If the incident did happen, I don't understand why they wouldn't go to the police. Talking about it over LJ isn't going to help anything. Secondly, it seems that these people were not even at this event, so I don't see how anyone can even attempt to deal with this issue without the facts. Writing a letter to SAE saying, "a friend of a friend of a friend was at a party at the SAE house last night and this is what I heard went down". Well I don't see how it can be taken seriously if then only thing being reorted are third hand recollections.
In any event, if this did happen those that were involved should be delt with accordingly.

[DeltAlum]

If the incident truly happened this way, something should be done -- expulsion of some of the members or suspension of the chapter.

There simply isn't enough verified information here to know what direction to take, though.

At this point, it's a matter for the University, it's Greek advisors (IFC perhaps), SAE Nationals and local law enforcement authorities.

It would be ill advised for any of us to jump to conclusions and take any action in either direction.

[Ghostface301]

thanks for anyone that responded and incase there was any misunderstanding, im not taking sides or asking for any you to be directly involved in doing something, im simpoly asking (for a friend) what steps she and her friends (those actually involved) should take

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Ghostface301
thanks for anyone that responded and incase there was any misunderstanding, im not taking sides or asking for any you to be directly involved in doing something, im simpoly asking (for a friend) what steps she and her friends (those actually involved) should take

I'll tell you from experience that unless you have some hard evidence you'll find it very difficult to get anyone to listen to you at a fraternal HQ. You'll need police reports, the school administration or something like that.

We once cut an individual from our colony who swore afterwards to have us shut down. Actually heard they (he and his mother) wrote and called our HQ. They were kind of like the joke of the day...

[ilovemyglo]

seems to me a case of uninvited guests that get ticked off for being called names- but that is me.

Personal opinion- rude to call them those names, and insensitive, but if they weren't invited did they really expect to be welcomed with open arms?