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Old 01-23-2006, 02:23 PM
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UGa SAE may have drunk self to death

http://www.redandblack.com/vnews/dis.../43d45d7b379c1

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Student found dead in Russell Hall dorm

By DANÉE ATTEBURY
Published , January 23, 2006, 06:00:01 AM EDT


A 19-year-old University student died of alcohol-related causes Sunday morning in his Russell Hall dorm room.

Lewis Rockwell Fish, a freshman from Atlanta, was pronounced dead by the Athens-Clarke County coroner at 10:30 a.m., according to police.

A male friend staying with Fish in his dorm room called police at 8:36 a.m. to report that Fish was ill, University Police Chief Jimmy Williamson said at a press conference Sunday evening.

When police and paramedics arrived, Fish already was dead, Williamson said.

He said the friend with Fish was not a University student, and he declined to say whether the friend had been drinking.

Darryl Willie, a graduate resident at Russell Hall, said Fish had “choked.”

Williamson said it appears the death was alcohol-related and there is no indication of foul play. An autopsy is planned for Monday, he said, and results will be available in six to eight weeks.

Williamson said Fish had not been drinking at a bar or restaurant but declined to comment on how he had obtained alcohol, saying he did not want to compromise the investigation.

He also said he was not prepared to say whether anyone would be charged in connection with Fish’s death.

There was no indication that Fish could have been saved had police been called sooner, Williamson added.

Fish was a member of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, a fraternity on Pulaski Street. Williamson said Fish’s drinking was not fraternity-related but would not say whether Fish had been at the fraternity house before he died.

Tyler Stephens, president of SAE, said the fraternity did not have a party Saturday. The fraternity held a special meeting Sunday night to discuss Fish’s death, but Stephens would not comment on the details of the meeting.

“We’re just grieving right now about his loss,” he said. Stephens said the fraternity is planning a memorial but had no specific plans right now.

The fraternity also holds alcohol education programs twice a semester, he said.

Will Adgate, a freshman from Jonesboro who also lives in Russell Hall, said Fish was very charismatic and friendly.

“I was shocked. I still am,” he said of Fish’s death.

Fish’s roommate, Cliff Williamson, was away for the weekend, and said he did not know enough about the situation to comment.

William Smethurst, headmaster of Fish’s high school, The Ben Franklin Academy, called Fish “a wonderful student.”

“He had much promise as a scholar and a professional,” Smethurst said.

Fish’s family declined to comment to The Red & Black.

Rodney Bennett, vice president for student affairs, said at the press conference the University needs help from the community to prevent underage drinking.

“Our greatest fear at the University of Georgia has been realized,” he said.

Bennett said banning alcohol on campus was not the answer. The University should focus on educating students about responsible drinking, he said.

Though Fish had not been in trouble with police before, Wes Allen, a freshman from Alpharetta who lives in Russell Hall, said Fish generally “partied pretty hard.”

Students busted for underage possession are sent to the Athens-Clarke County jail, according to a new University police arrest policy enacted January 1st.
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Old 01-24-2006, 01:58 AM
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I bet guys in that house would be pissed about you posting their business around here. You've never met a single person from that house, it must take real balls to post stuff against their fraternity on the internet to a group of people who are going to agree with you 110%.
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Old 01-24-2006, 02:29 AM
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why is this in risk management--hazing??? the original post even stated that the fraternity didnt have a party, and that he might not have even been at the house that night. so therefore no hazing. i think its ridiculous to post this on here to make that chapter look bad when they are trying to grieve the loss of a brother. the chapter doesnt seem at fault at all here. the chapter, school and his friends will be in my thoughts and prayers though. i hope all brothers are doing ok.
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:18 AM
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I bet guys in that house would be pissed about you posting their business around here. You've never met a single person from that house, it must take real balls to post stuff against their fraternity on the internet to a group of people who are going to agree with you 110%.
Just to let you know, the majority of people on GC do NOT agree with hoosier.

But please, carry on. You too heather. (Oh, and this is in RM because hoosier subscribes to the Hank Nuwer theory - any time a Greek college student dies or is injured it can be classified as "hazing related.")
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:24 AM
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This violates the GC terms of service, as John, the administrator, has specifically said that we are not to post whole articles. Mr. hoosier has done this several times.
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Old 01-24-2006, 11:01 AM
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Amazingly enough, on the news they have been making it a point to say this was NOT fraternity related despite his involvement in the fraternity.
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Old 01-24-2006, 11:04 AM
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This violates the GC terms of service, as John, the administrator, has specifically said that we are not to post whole articles. Mr. hoosier has done this several times.
Yep. DeltAlum, please delete this damn trash
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Old 01-24-2006, 12:24 PM
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Just to let you know, the majority of people on GC do NOT agree with hoosier.
Definitely, a few ill-named "moderators" do not agree. I wonder how many of these "moderators" would be elected if there was a fair vote.

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(Oh, and this is in RM because hoosier subscribes to the Hank Nuwer theory - any time a Greek college student dies or is injured it can be classified as "hazing related.")
Now that is libelous and untrue
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Old 01-24-2006, 01:28 PM
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Maybe we should have a "media" forum...or a "media" subforum of several forums (Risk Management, Community Service, etc.). That's where we can post links to articles involving fraternities and sororities, whether they are reporting something positive or not.

Personally, I like getting links to news articles, as it keeps me aware of what's going on that affects our students. (I am not commenting on Hoosier's intentions or techniques...please do not take this as support or defense of Hoosier. I remain neutral.). While this article states that there was no fraternity party before he died, he was still a member of a fraternity, and we could still have discussion on how we as a community can deal with these things. I'm always looking for "real life examples" to use when talking with my students.

One thought I had was regarding the comment that he "partied pretty hard." My related discussion question is: Do our members feel as though they know how to help (or intervene) someone who they are concerned about partying too much? In other words, are we giving them opportunities to learn how to appropriately share their concerns with their fellow students? (Sometimes I think we don't teach those skills as well as we could...)

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Old 01-24-2006, 01:34 PM
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This article (or rather, a link, in accordance with the terms of service) could just have easily been posted in Greek Life.

I believe we discussed having something like what you are talking about and the consensus was....that's what the fraternal news listserv is for.
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:45 PM
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http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...metathens.html
Autopsy: Alcohol, drugs killed UGA student

By KELLY SIMMONS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/01/06

A toxic mix of alcohol and drugs, including cocaine and heroin, killed a 19-year-old University of Georgia student who was found dead in his residence hall 10 days ago, an autopsy shows.

UGA Police released the results of the autopsy Wednesday and also announced they would seek criminal charges against seven people in connection with the events surrounding the death of Lewis Rockwell Fish, a first-year student from Atlanta.

Thomas Stuart Carpenter, a Georgia College & State University student who was with Fish in the hours before he died, will be charged with possession of heroin, a felony, UGA police Chief Jimmy Williamson said.

UGA students Mark Eric Olsen, Michael Ian Crocker, Jordan Dugan Redella, and Grayson Hall Gordon, all of Atlanta, will be charged with possession of marijuana, a misdemeanor, Williamson said.

Olsen, Crocker and Redella will be charged with furnishing alcohol to a person under age 21 and underage possession of alcohol, both misdemeanors., Williamson said.

Redella and Gordon will be charged with possession of fraudulent identification, a misdemeanor. Redella also will be charged with using fraudulent identification to purchase alcoholic beverages, a misdemeanors, Williamson said.

William Chapin Cowan, a Gainesville State College student, will be charged with possession of marijuana, underage possession of alcohol and furnishing alcohol to persons under age 21, Williamson said.

Gene Whitner Milner III, a former UGA student who is not enrolled this semester, will be charged with possession of marijuana and possession of drug-related objects. According to Athens-Clarke County property records, Milner and his dad Gene W. Milner of Atlanta, own the Riverhill Drive house that Fish visited the night before his death.

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In an interview with the UGA student newspaper, published last week, Carpenter said he and Fish spent Saturday night and early Sunday partying together in FishÕs dorm room, at the Riverhill Drive house and at the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity house, where Fish was a member.

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Old 02-01-2006, 04:57 PM
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Why doesnt everyone climb off your Big White Horses and figure, this is Risk Management because of an Alcohol situation that envolves a Member of a Greek Organization.

Ergo, it looks bad for Said GLO and all of the rest.

Talk about "PETTY CRAP"!

It is good to know what goes on behind rose colored glasses at other Schools and how in the long run it can affect all of us!
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Old 02-02-2006, 11:19 AM
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Olsen, Croker, and Gordon are SAEs, according to today's paper. They are all faced with misdemeanor marijuana charges.
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:52 PM
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Olsen, Croker, and Gordon are SAEs, according to today's paper. They are all faced with misdemeanor marijuana charges.
right because that's the real issue here

Fish ODed on coke because his friends toked up.
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:19 PM
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Fish ODed on coke because his friends toked up.
Maybe.

Being the father of a highly adictive child, the culture in which they live, the friends they keep and their surroundings can be either very helpful or harmful.

It's too easy to simply write off the possibility that the use and amount of drugs available (maybe even at the SAE House) didn't have anything to do with this man's use and even the OD. There's no way for us to know.
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