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Old 02-10-2003, 11:59 AM
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More problems with party costumes; is a watermelon offensive?

Feb. 10, 2003, 8:20AM

Costumes at frat parties drawing complaints at UT
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AUSTIN - Students at the University of Texas are accusing several fraternities of hosting parties in which participants wore racially insensitive costumes.

A formal complaint was planned today against at least one of the fraternities.

Dean of Students Teresa Graham Brett told The Daily Texan in today's edition she was informed of the Kappa Alpha Order party as well as Halloween parties thrown by Kappa Alpha and Phi Gamma Delta. She said students approached her with photographs of the parties taken by a local party photographer.

One photograph taken at a Phi Gamma Delta Party on Oct. 31 shows a white man wearing black paint on his face and body, an "afro" wig on his head and a chain with a lock around his neck.

Another photo taken at a Kappa Alpha party on Jan. 31 shows a white man wearing a T-shirt commemorating a Juneteenth event in 2000 while another is shown wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with a large watermelon.

UT economics senior Onaje Barnes said he and other students plan to file a complaint with the Office of Greek Life and Education regarding the "Gin and Juice Party" held by the Kappa Alpha Order fraternity on Jan. 31.

But Kappa Alpha president Tim Weaver said the party's theme was meant to idolize rap music and popular culture icons and he did not realize people were going to be offended.

"It seems there were some people that showed up with extremely offensive T-shirts," Weaver, an undeclared junior, told the newspaper. "I do apologize for that part of it. We do not think it should have been that big of a deal. It came at a bad time, I think."

Barnes said the problem is that people think this behavior is acceptable.

Phil Gamma Delta historian Chris Knox said he did not see anyone wearing such costumes at the fraternity's event.

But Brett said she found the photographed costumes highly offensive, and is reviewing actions that can be taken against the fraternity.
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Old 02-10-2003, 02:08 PM
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Re: More problems with party costumes; is a watermelon offensive?

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......."It seems there were some people that showed up with extremely offensive T-shirts," Weaver, an undeclared junior, told the newspaper. "
DAMN ....undeclared as a JUNIOR!!??!
Maybe he should be worrying about STUDYING more and partying less. Looks like to me there are bigger problems with that chapter than watermelon T-shirts, however inappropriate.
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Old 02-10-2003, 02:14 PM
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I like watermelon.
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Old 02-10-2003, 02:26 PM
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Now, wait, I think CONTEXT is everything. AEPi here uses the watermelon as their local mascot, and I never once thought it offensive when the giant watermelon showed up at one of their parties.
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Old 02-10-2003, 03:11 PM
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watermelon?

I don't get it? call me ignorant
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Old 02-10-2003, 05:31 PM
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precious25....

The iconic "watermelon-eating darkie" is an image/stereotype that was associated with African Americans through black face minstrelsy. It is an image that many African Americans might consider insensitive in a certain context. For example, a black person simply eating a piece of watermelon PROBABLY has no social implications for a white person witnessing the act. However, because of the consciousness (and double-consciousness) of the black people who are familiar with the stereotype, the image is a troubling one.

In this situation, I think the watermelon is troublesome because it seems to have been associated with black culture particularly, reinforcing, whether intentional or not, a stereotype that is associated with black face minstrelsy.

Hope that helps.
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Old 02-10-2003, 06:00 PM
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That did help, thanks!
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Old 02-10-2003, 07:01 PM
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Why???

Situations like this is why there needs to be diversity training in schools. Diversity training does not mean you HAVE TO LOVE other races and ethnicities, just understand what people have gone through to make it in this country. For example, when many uneducated Irish people came over because of the potato famine they could only get low-wage jobs and lived in slums. Now, if I decided to have a party and have people dress up as poor Irishmen, talking with a bad Irish accent and acting like they are begging for potatoes, then some might consider that to be racist. There are many sterotypes we can all abuse.

What I consider sad when I hear about situations like this is that it seems like the only way White frat boys can have a good time is to make fun of other people, and that is just pathetic.
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Old 02-10-2003, 07:18 PM
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OK, help me understand this here.....

First, since none of us on this thread would want to be judged unfairly by people who don't know us, have never seen us, and without a hearing, we're not going to do this to anyone else.....right? (That whole "presumed innocent until..." thing gets to me. I should have been a lawyer.)

OK--from what I got from the article, the alleged photo said it was a picture of *a watermelon*, not an AfAm person eating a watermelon.

So--is watermelon now offensive by itself, yes or no?

I have floating candles in my kitchen shaped and scented like itty bitty little watermelon slices. Is this racist too? How far does the association go?

I really am trying to learn here, folks, so straight answers without personal attacks are appreciated.

Adrienne
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Old 02-10-2003, 07:56 PM
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Ok, so I'm supposed to dress up at Ludacris something that my sorority is doing. Is it gona be offensive if I wear my hair in braids?

Please don't flame me, but I think in this case the people were a lil over sensitive.
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Old 02-10-2003, 08:04 PM
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Wink Prejudism Indeed!!!

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Ok, so I'm supposed to dress up at Ludacris something that my sorority is doing. Is it gona be offensive if I wear my hair in braids?

Please don't flame me, but I think in this case the people were a lil over sensitive.
Oh darn it!!! I was just going to post as you.
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Old 02-10-2003, 08:54 PM
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Okay, call me crazy (shut up!), but it's not the frickin' watermelon that's offensive in this scenario. I think that the person quoted in the article mis-spoke.

I love watermelon -- eat it several times a week, even in the company of white folks . Seeing a picture of watermelon or someone with a t-shirt with watermelon on it isn't going to offend me. However, if I see someone with an afro wig and face darkened so that they look "black", then yes, I'm going to feel put out and rightly so.

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Old 02-10-2003, 09:01 PM
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adduncan,

The fraternity in question threw a "Gin and Juice" party which was said to "idolize rap music and popular culture icons."

The first concern, I believe, is to recognize that the fraternity was parodying urban, and therefore African American culture. Sure, parody is protected under the constitution, fine. But this chapter, which I am assuming is mostly white, should examine the series of choices that lead up to the chapter agreeing that it was okay to parody African American culture.

The problem with the watermelon comes into play because it was used in a way that implied that watermelons were an important part of black culture, when in fact, the watermelon-eating African American icon is a symbol that was used to denigrate and subjugate black people.

It's not that watermelons are offensive....the association of watermelons with exclusively African Americans is a problem. And if the person was wearing a watermelon on his t-shirt at a party that was meant to parody African American culture, then that's a problem.
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Old 02-10-2003, 09:33 PM
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Another bunch of idiots...
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Old 02-11-2003, 10:22 AM
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dardenr, thank you for spelling out the issue so clearly. It was getting muddy there for a while and your response was very helpful.

IMHO, I think it's better to reserve judgement until there is an investigation. It is possible that the people photographed were not members of the respective GLOs--it's happened before. Years of reading college papers has taught me that a lot gets left out in the sound bites.

Hope everyone has a great (as in peaceful) day!

Adrienne (PNAM-2003)
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