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Old 11-10-2002, 02:07 AM
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Pi Kappa Phi

I was wondering if anyone could knock down a rumor I keep hearing about Pi Kappa Phi. The rumor is that either a few or all of the founders of that fraternity were Pike pledges that quit before being initiated. I don't really believe it but some guys in the house swear that it's true.
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Old 11-10-2002, 06:22 AM
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Not true.
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Old 11-10-2002, 06:28 AM
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Old 11-10-2002, 01:14 PM
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Did PiKA have a chapter there?

Was there a PiKA chapter at Charleston or in SC at that time?

That might be the deciding factor, on whose "truth" is truth.

Even the PiKPhi history says some other natl. tied to affiliate them.
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Old 11-10-2002, 02:56 PM
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Re: Did PiKA have a chapter there?

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Was there a PiKA chapter at Charleston or in SC at that time?

That might be the deciding factor, on whose "truth" is truth.

Even the PiKPhi history says some other natl. tied to affiliate them.
I have no idea if there were any Pi Kappa Alpha chapters in South Carolina at this time. I don’t think this is much of an argument on whose truth is the truth considering I am posting national links in regards to history. So unless a Pi Kappa Alpha wants to post something other then rumor I think I will choose to believe a history I know backwards and forwards.
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Old 11-10-2002, 03:41 PM
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Re: Pi Kappa Phi

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I was wondering if anyone could knock down a rumor I keep hearing about Pi Kappa Phi. The rumor is that either a few or all of the founders of that fraternity were Pike pledges that quit before being initiated. I don't really believe it but some guys in the house swear that it's true.
Maybe Pi Kappa Alpha was started by a group of former Kappa Alpha pledges.
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Old 11-10-2002, 03:47 PM
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Maybe Pi Kappa Alpha was started by a group of former Kappa Alpha pledges.
LOL

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Old 11-10-2002, 05:09 PM
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Pikes vs Pi Kaps

Pi Kappa Alpha has several chapters in South Carolina dating from the 1800s, but has never had one at College of Charleston. PiKA was founded at the University of Virginia in 1968 by six men, three of whom were Confederate veterans.
I've never heard that we had any connection to Pi Kappa Phi, but it was not unusual among fraternities that such things happened. Sigma Chi was founded by men who broke away from (I think) Phi Delta Theta. I believe Brothers of DKE founded several national fraternities. It's no unheard-of that pledges from a fraternity would break away to found their own.
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Old 12-10-2002, 10:38 PM
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I think I can clear this up...

Pi Kappa Phi was created out of a group called Nu Phi which stood for Non Fraternity. The group was formed as a anti-fraternity ticket for the College of Charleston's Student Government elections. Below is an excerpt from the pi kappa phi history section ( http://www.nuphi.net/history/ )

Also thriving was a campus literary society, the Chrestomathics. The society was similar in function to modern day student government groups. By participating in the activities of the society, students could take their academic pursuits beyond the classroom, debating the ideas and issues of the times. Its officers also comprised the staff of the college's monthly magazine. Because of its prominence and power on campus, the society was important to the students. It was the equivalent of a modern day student government group.

A pact between friends led to the bond that would create the Fraternity.

In the fall of 1904, the literary society held elections to select its officers. The three chapters of national fraternities that existed on campus developed a "slate" of officer candidates from within their ranks. Kroeg, Mixson, Fogarty and some of their friends were not fraternity members, and with all campus fraternity men and their friends already sworn to the fraternity slate, Kroeg knew it would be tough winning unless an opposition party was quickly organized.

In the course of several meetings at Mixson's home on Wentworth Street, the three men led a small campus movement to form a group called Nu Phi, which stood for "non-fraternity." This organization of 15 men formed its own opposing slate and began campaigning. The group adopted "the outline of a hand" as its secret symbol. Meetings of Nu Phi were advertised to members by drawing an outline of a hand on a chalkboard in a classroom. The time of the meeting and the last name of the member hosting it were written inside the outline.

The elections were intense. The Nu Phi men even assigned a member to kidnap those who might vote for the fraternity ticket on election day. As the group worked together, and as election day approached, they realized that they possessed the skills, desire and friendship needed to build something of lasting value. In spite of their efforts, however, the Nu Phi ticket did not do well in the final count. It was later discovered that several of the members of Nu Phi had been disloyal to the group and had voted for the fraternity ticket. Kroeg, in his determination to see his friends given the opportunity to influence the campus like the fraternity men, decided that the only recourse was to start a new, full-fledged fraternity.

The loyal Nu Phi's agreed to hold a meeting on December 10, 1904, at Simon's home at 90 Broad Street to found a fraternity.

Seven Nu Phi's were at the meeting: Kroeg, Fogarty, Mixson, A. Pelzer Wagener, Thomas F. Mosimann, Theodore Barnwell Kelly and James Fogarty, Simon's younger brother. All were friends and students at the College, and had grown up together in Charleston.

Wagener was a superior scholar of Greek and Latin, much like John Heath, the founder of the first fraternity, Phi Beta Kappa, at the College of William and Mary. Wagener would go on to teach Greek and Latin at William and Mary, and appropriately enough, it was he who recommended the letters, "Pi Kappa Phi," and their secret meaning as the official new name of the group.

At that ever-important meeting on December 10, Harry Mixson wrote out the first minutes of Pi Kappa Phi Fraternity in dark green ink.
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Old 12-11-2002, 11:19 AM
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Re: Re: Pi Kappa Phi

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Maybe Pi Kappa Alpha was started by a group of former Kappa Alpha pledges.
LOL!

Before the next rumor runs rampant....Chi Omega was NOT started by a group of former Alpha Chi Omega pledges
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Old 12-12-2002, 01:29 PM
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also squashing rumors

phi sigma sigma didn't kick out members who later formed sigma sigma sigma. . .


gosh, the rumors. . .
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