BCS rankings just don't make sense

amycat412 · #1 11-26-2002, 06:56 PM

Hey all... wondering what everyone thinks of the NCAA Football BCS rankings...

Teams are listed below by this weeks BCS ranking. # in parenthesis is the strength of that team's schedule.

IMO, it is NOT all that IMPRESSIVE to have Miami and Ohio State undefeated when they are playing the nation's 18th and 21st toughest schedules. Or Iowa at #5 w one loss but the 40th toughest schedule (sorry IowaHawkeye).

And then there are my USC Trojans at #6 with 2 losses (against top 15 teams, on the road) and the #1 toughest schedule in the nation.

Doesn't it seem like more weight should be given to the strength of schedule than there currently is? Esp if, for instance, USC and Michigan at #1 and #2 in strength of scheds are ranked so much lower than teams not even anywhere near playing the toughest schedules. Ohio State barely squeaked past Michigan this weekend, and OSU is #2, UM 11? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

1. Miami (18)
2. Ohio State (21)
3. Oklahoma (24)
4. Georgia (10)
5. Iowa (40)
6. USC (1)
7. Notre Dame (29)
8. Washington State (27)
9. Texas (22)
10. Kansas State (60)
11. Michigan (2)
12 Colorado (7)
13 FLorida (8)
14 Penn State (11)
15 Colorado State (30)

That said, OMG i am loving the season my team is having!!

#2 11-26-2002, 07:06 PM

Maaaaaan,

Who else will be praying for a Miami loss so the Sooners get into the championship game??

ktsnake? i KNOW you're with me on this one. That is assuming of course the Sooners beat OSU and beat the North representatvie in the Big XII title game, which i think they will.

Boomer Sooner!

Kitso
KS 361 points i hope Syracuse scores on the 'Canes this weekend

aggieAXO · #3 11-26-2002, 07:14 PM

They always rank Texas to high. They have lost 2 games and they are still in the top 10??? They should have dropped out of the top 10 with the loss to Texas Tech.

#4 11-26-2002, 07:21 PM

Don't worry AXO, i have a feeling tu will be out of the top 10 after Friday

Kitso <---eternal optimist when it comes to Aggie Football
KS 361

Steeltrap · #5 11-26-2002, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amycat412
Hey all... wondering what everyone thinks of the NCAA Football BCS rankings...

Teams are listed below by this weeks BCS ranking. # in parenthesis is the strength of that team's schedule.

IMO, it is NOT all that IMPRESSIVE to have Miami and Ohio State undefeated when they are playing the nation's 18th and 21st toughest schedules. Or Iowa at #5 w one loss but the 40th toughest schedule (sorry IowaHawkeye).

And then there are my USC Trojans at #6 with 2 losses (against top 15 teams, on the road) and the #1 toughest schedule in the nation.

Doesn't it seem like more weight should be given to the strength of schedule than there currently is? Esp if, for instance, USC and Michigan at #1 and #2 in strength of scheds are ranked so much lower than teams not even anywhere near playing the toughest schedules. Ohio State barely squeaked past Michigan this weekend, and OSU is #2, UM 11? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

1. Miami (18)
2. Ohio State (21)
3. Oklahoma (24)
4. Georgia (10)
5. Iowa (40)
6. USC (1)
7. Notre Dame (29)
8. Washington State (27)
9. Texas (22)
10. Kansas State (60)
11. Michigan (2)
12 Colorado (7)
13 FLorida (8)
14 Penn State (11)
15 Colorado State (30)

That said, OMG i am loving the season my team is having!!

I will co-sign the last sentiment, although I've not intensely followed college football this year. The Carson Palmer Heisman question is burning up the L.A. sports talk radio airwaves.

(1986 USC graduate, BTW).

IowaHawkeye · #6 11-26-2002, 08:19 PM

Personally - I agree that the BCS rankings are a bunch of BS. But Iowa only has 1 loss and USC has 2 - so personally, I believe Iowa should be ranked above USC. We beat 2 top 15 teams (UM/PSU) on the road and have had a great season with a possible heisman winner (banks).

If youre going to have strength of schedule be so heavly weighted - I think margin of victory should come into play as well. I agree, Ohio State had an awesome year at 13-0, but some of those games they barely got by (Purdue- last minute heroics/IL in overtime/Michigan) did they get penalized for that? Not really.

It would be RIDICULOUS if USC beats ND this weekend (and I hope they do) and still doesn't earn a Rose Bowl invitation b/c WSU won this weekend and holds the tiebreaker (head to head winner)

Teams like FSU, not even in the top 15 - who earn an automatic BCS bowl bid just b/c theyre conference champ - don't deserve it and shouldn't get the bid.

Oh well - until the BCS system is fine-tuned or we turn to a playoff system, nothing we can do but complain...

amycat412 · #7 11-26-2002, 08:25 PM

Iowa, I agree with you, and I'd love to see a USC-Iowa Rose Bowl pitting Heisman candidates Palmer and Banks against one another. Now that would be a great game.

But the whole FSU with what, 5 losses, getting an automatic BCS bowl is RIDICULOUS.

Ohio State not getting penalized for the games IowaHawkeye mentioned, but USC getting penalized for the 3 pt OT loss to WSU and 7 pt loss to Kansas State? Or, WSU dropping from 3 to 8 because of a 3 pt loss in TRIPLE OT to UW?

And Margin of Victory-- YES YES YES. Would help my cause, as USC's only barely squeaked by victory was to Cal at 30-28.

We beat Auburn 24-17
Colorado State 40-3
Oregon State 22-0
Washington 44-21
Oregon 44-33
Stanford 49-17
ASU 34-13
UCLA 52-21

All very SOLID wins.

and lost to
WA State 30-27 in OT
Kansas State 27-20

Does not seem the rules are applied fairly across the board.

IMO, the top 8 teams should get the BCS slots, PERIOD. Screw FSU's auto bid and Wash St getting rose Bowl because of head-to-head tie breaker thing. Of course, WA State has to get past UCLA on the 7th, and possibly w/o Jason Gesser. And after USC humiliatiion of UCLA, I think UCLA may just be able to pull out the win, and then USC would get the Rose Bowl that we deserve.

amycat412 · #8 11-26-2002, 08:35 PM

Oh, and Wash state LOST this past weekend to UW in triple OT.
They play UCLA on Dec 7th, they lose, Rose Bowl is USC's, cause they'd have 2 conference losses, while we only have one.

Kevin · #9 11-26-2002, 08:43 PM

The only real solution I could give ya'll in this matter would be have an 8 team playoff. The top 8 teams in the BCS would be included. You could use existing bowls to form the playoff system and then keep your non-BCS and low-ranked bowls around for unworthy teams.

I think in a Playoff you'd get a *REAL* champion, someone who was consistant AND talented. Not some BS like Ohio State where they squeak out wins against teams that are only highly ranked because they're in the Big 10.

I'll Guarantee you they'd have at least 2 losses in the Big 12.

Just look at what Big 12 punching-bag Iowa State did to Iowa at the beginning of the season? Remember when they finished their non conference games they were ranked #9 in the nation. They go through the Big 12... Where are they now?

49-3 against the Sooners...

Big 12 teams are fairly evenly matched with the exception of Baylor and Kansas. Besides those two I think any other team would be serious contenders in any other conference.

The cream always rises to the top. I agree if Oklahoma wins out the rest of their season they *should* be playing for the championship...

Hell... if Bowling Green had won out they may very well be headed for the Fiesta with a Miami loss.

And *that* is why the BCS, coaches and AP ranking systems are worthless.

chopper816 · #10 11-26-2002, 10:47 PM

Im not a fan of the sooners, so I hope colorado beats them in the big 12 championship, I hope miami drops and I wouldnt mind seeing a Ohio State vs Georgia title game, that would be cool.

aggieAXO- you can NEVER rank Texas too high, HOOK EM HORNS!!!!!!!!!

DeltaSigStan · #11 11-26-2002, 11:16 PM

I still say we should use ESPN's proposed system of using every bowl game as a playoff game, with the national title game switching between the current BCS title games.

The only reason Nebraska won those two titles in the 90s was because they had such a soft schedule. The title they shared with Michigan was BS, the Wolverines should have won outright.

The BCS is complete bull, but it's the best we're gonna have until we have a playoff system, and the revenue brought in by bowl games apparently is too much to bring it to that format.

Kevin · #12 11-27-2002, 01:24 AM

At least all the conferences with any real talent have championship games.. SEC, Big 12..

chopper816 · #13 11-27-2002, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
I still say we should use ESPN's proposed system of using every bowl game as a playoff game, with the national title game switching between the current BCS title games.

The only reason Nebraska won those two titles in the 90s was because they had such a soft schedule. The title they shared with Michigan was BS, the Wolverines should have won outright.

The BCS is complete bull, but it's the best we're gonna have until we have a playoff system, and the revenue brought in by bowl games apparently is too much to bring it to that format.

well, being from nebraska, i know a whole hell of a lot more than you about nebraska football. you see, in 1994 we beat up the colorado buffaloes, a buffalo team with kordell stewart, michael westbrook, and rashaan salaam, granted none of them are too great as pros, but they were dominant in college, and they beat them. heard of the florida gators? yeah, who beat them in the fiesta bowl by a huge margin? oh, that was nebraska! most analysts, coaches, players and fans will say on record that some of the husker teams from the 90s are some of the best ever, and maybe some of the teams they played werent all that good, however they could beat them by like 76-21 and thats with using backups for at least the 2nd half, if not the first. And in 1997, there will always be controvesy around the true champions, however keep in mind that washington state came really close to beating michigan in the rose bowl, and if that were to happen, then nebraska wouldve been the outright champions. there you go buddy, i wait your response.

ktsnake- you have the right idea about how all the talented conferences have title games

deltasigstan- speaking of weak schedules, you go to san diego state right? thats a good team there buddy

DeltaSigStan · #14 11-27-2002, 01:48 AM

Yeah but I don't expect anything from State, nobody does. Well, I do expect to lose to BYU 49-0 or worse.

Ok ok so I jumped the gun...............

chopper816 · #15 11-27-2002, 02:15 AM

its all good dude, i had to chime in about the huskers though dude, those titles (with the exception of 97) came with someone who is my favorite husker ever, and one of the best college players ever, tommie frazier. I used to look up to that guy way back in the day. and ill give sdsu some credit, yall did produce marshall faulk!