Sammies wearing Phi Sig letters

AlphaChiS2K · #1 09-04-2002, 04:55 PM

This is really disappointing to me...

The Sammy chapter on our campus lost their charter this year- or voluntarily gave it up, the school decided to stop recognizing them so I'm not sure of the specifics of how exactly their charter was returned to HQ, but they are no longer recognized on campus. This comes after two years of probation, after drugs were found in their chapter room, they lit stuff on fire on the quad, and numerous women fueled the "perception" of being roofied at Sammy parties. For the past week, since school started, they have continued wearing their Sammy letters to campus, until Tuesday...

Tuesday is Greek letter day on campus- Greeks wear letters and sign in for points that go towards spirit cups, etc. The Sammy brothers showed up wearing Phi Sigma Sigma letters that had been given to them by sisters who had disaffiliated. All in all, about 20 boys were walking around campus in Phi Sig's letters. It almost made me sick, I was so mad- my best friend is Phi Sig's president, and I KNOW how much those letters mean to those girls. I can't imagine how I would feel if they were walking around wearing AXO letters- and it feels different than if they had ordered them from Greek101 or something- it's so much worse that sisters GAVE these letters to these guys, completely disrespecting this sorority.

I know there has been some discussion about people wearing others' letters, but this is so weird, I wanted to know if any of your respective chapters have ever had the problem of disaffiliated members pulling a stunt like this.... any thoughts?

PhiSigSandy · #2 09-04-2002, 05:28 PM

Being a Phi Sigma Sigma, this really makes me mad because what right did the Sammies have to wear our letters? even if DISAFFILIATED (meaning no longer part of the org and have no right to make this kind of decision anyway) ladies gave them the shirts. It makes me think that they just did that out of spite. Disrespecting Phi Sig's everywhere by wearing letters that are not theirs. I have never heard of anything like this happening. Maybe beacuse it's not something that should be done. I really hope that the Phi Sig's spoke out about this matter. The Sammies are showing that they have absolutely no respect . Also what was the Phi Sig's reaction and what was done about this??

Tom Earp · #3 09-04-2002, 05:29 PM

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sororitygirl2 · #4 09-04-2002, 05:35 PM

Okay, I know that it is not cool to see someone in your letters if they are not in your chapter, but really the letters shouldn't be what mean so much to members... the values should.

If girls gave these letters to the guys, maybe they were just wearing them to show their friendship and to be cute? I know that guys on my campus used to wear their girlfriends' sorority tees all the time.

AchtungBaby80 · #5 09-04-2002, 06:02 PM

It would be worse if the guys were actually pretending to be Phi Sigs instead of just wearing the letters, right?

linn · #6 09-04-2002, 06:02 PM

Just curious as to who or what is a Sammie (SP?)

KillarneyRose · #7 09-04-2002, 06:08 PM

I think that is disrespectful and it seems fairly obvious that they were just trying to be obnoxious. The fact that the letters came from ex sisters only makes my observation more obvious.

I've never heard of guys wearing their girlfriends letters unless it was something like a DG Anchor Splash shirt or something like that.

I just couldn't get into the idea of a guy who wears womens' clothing; be it her high heels, her formal dress or her letters!

Linn, a Sammie is a brother of Sigma Alpha Mu Fraternity

sororitygirl2 · #8 09-04-2002, 06:11 PM

If girls wear guys letters to show friendship, etc... then I think it makes perfect sense that some guys do the same. Maybe that wasn't the case here in this situation, but wearing letters is definitely not comparable to a man in a dress and heels.

Dianne · #9 09-04-2002, 06:23 PM

2 questions:
-Were the shirts just Phi Sig t-shirts? Or were they like jerseys with big letters on them? because guys wear ZTA shirts all the time if, for example, they came to our semi-formal. but we've never had guys wear our jerseys (except at one of our halloween parties where some guys dressed as girls and stuffed their shirts and wore our jerseys, but then it was just light-hearted fun)

-What were the Sammies hoping to accomplish by this little stunt? Do they have beef with Phi Sig or were they trying to make fun of them? I don't understand what would motivate these guys to do that.

AlphaChiS2K · #10 09-04-2002, 08:34 PM

To clarify: the Phi Sig letters that the boys are wearing are sewn-letter shirts, the kind you are finally allowed to wear at initiation, not party shirts or formal favors. And they are not wearing them to be cute, or show their friendship- they're doing it because they are JERKS and they think it's funny to disrespect a chapter like that. The disaffiliated women were asked to return all Phi Sig paraphanelia, especially letters, to the chapter when they disaffiliated. They said that there were no letters to return, and then gave them to the Sammies because the chapter meant nothing to them anymore. The guys are known to be complete wretched jack*sses and think that the whole thing is one big middle finger to greek life since they've lost their charter.

One of my sisters approached one of the guys and asked what they were doing, and he sneered at her and told her not to be such a bitch, he had Alpha Chi letters too and would wear those if he wanted. JERK.

The Phi Sigs are understandably pissed off and went to the Greek Life director, who is making calls to both Phi Sig and Sammy nationals- even though Sammy isn't formally recognized, their nationals may have something to say about (newly) formaer brothers participating in such activities. Hopefully some good will come out of that... I was under the impression that one could have legal action taken against them for revealing the secrets of a fraternity- and I would hazard a guess that giving away letters may fall under that category, if so desired. What are your nationals' policies?

33girl · #11 09-04-2002, 09:02 PM

This is why when someone disaffiliates, you go to their place and COLLECT the paraphernalia, not just let them return it when/if it tickles their fancy.

Senusret I · #12 09-04-2002, 09:34 PM

AlphaChiS2K:

I am a new graduate student at the school I THINK you are talking about, because I saw a guy wearing Phi Sigma Sigma letters and I got REALLY confused.

Hey, I might see you around campus sometime. You can fill me in on the Greek scene there, because I know nothing.

PM_Mama00 · #13 09-05-2002, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by sororitygirl2
Okay, I know that it is not cool to see someone in your letters if they are not in your chapter, but really the letters shouldn't be what mean so much to members... the values should.

If girls gave these letters to the guys, maybe they were just wearing them to show their friendship and to be cute? I know that guys on my campus used to wear their girlfriends' sorority tees all the time.

The values of your organization should be the top priority, but your letters are what represents your values in the sorority. If I saw a guy wearing Phi Mu shirts to spite my chapter, I'd be pretty pissed.

However if it's good fun, which in this case it wasn't, I'd say it's ok. A bunch of guys on the intramural hockey team were playing our Greek rivals, so they wore a bunch of Phi Mu shirts (nothing with our Greek letters).

I value everything in Phi Mu Fraternity, and my letters represent the values I have. They may just be fabric sown onto a sweatshirt, but your grammy's wedding band is just gold or silver, and the flowers you got from your boyfriend are just picked out of the ground.

Trivial things are much more meaning than they show, and I think that is what AlphaChi is saying.

phisigduchesscv · #14 09-05-2002, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by PhiSigSandy
Being a Phi Sigma Sigma, this really makes me mad because what right did the Sammies have to wear our letters? even if DISAFFILIATED (meaning no longer part of the org and have no right to make this kind of decision anyway) ladies gave them the shirts. It makes me think that they just did that out of spite. Disrespecting Phi Sig's everywhere by wearing letters that are not theirs. I have never heard of anything like this happening. Maybe beacuse it's not something that should be done. I really hope that the Phi Sig's spoke out about this matter. The Sammies are showing that they have absolutely no respect . Also what was the Phi Sig's reaction and what was done about this??

PhiSigSandy,
I am with you in that it makes me really mad. If it had been done as a fun thing with the okay of the chapter that is one thing. But it seems to me with the reputation that the Sammies have, and the fact disaffiliated sisters gave them the shirts, they did it with malicious intent. I really hope Sammies Nationals look into this even if the charter was pulled, something needs to be done to the individuals involved. I hope our CO will file an official protest with the university.
Now my question is, why choose Phi Sig and not another sorority. Or should we ask which one of the Sammies was just given the boot by a Phi Sig (with good reason probably) and thinks this is a way to get back at her.
Please keep us posted if they University does anything to the Sammies.
Carolyn

Corbin Dallas · #15 09-05-2002, 08:11 AM

uh, i don't see how anything can be done. it was a bunch of guys wearing shirts. the girls can't be punished by nationals or the chapter because they aren't members. i understand it pisses some of you off, but realize nothing can be done, aside from talking to those involved.