How Disapointing...

[lifesaver]

I need to know if this stuff happens on your campuses, or if it is unique to ours.

We dont have a stongly developed sense of greek unity. Since we dont have houses, (they come in 2005) everyone displays their pride by putting their letters out in front of the busiest building on campus. Every now and then a set will disappear. No big deal. Upsetting, but it happens.

I am a little disturbed by what apparently has happened this weekend. The Kappa Sigs came up with a GREAT marketing tool they have been using since last year, wihich is a banner that goes over the street across from a really popular bookstore. The older more mature members of the greek community saw it and were like, "Damn, what a great idea...I wish we wouldda thought of that." and then redouble our efforts to out market them. But NOOOOOOO, someone on our campus had to cut it down in the middle of the night and steal it. I am upset (and its not even my GLO) about it because, I know they dropped like $300 on it, and it pisses me off that when one group is ahead or does something good, everybody else has to try to tear them down.

***WITHOUT ANY PROOF OR EVIDENCE I have a suspicion as who it might be.


Anyway, it just pisses me off. And our Barney Fife campus police dept always misses it when this stuff goes down. This happen where ya'll are? What did yall do to stop it?

*****Post edited 'cause it was dick of me to be so blaitent in my accusations. See folow up post further....

[dzrose93]

Lifesaver,

That's terrible!!!!!!!

Maybe as a way to strengthen the Greek ties on campus, y'all could see if the other GLO's would be willing to pitch in and help Kappa Sig get a new banner?? That would be like turning lemons into lemonade in my book... and I think it would be a great way to bond with the other orgs at your school.

[prophet]

Life Saver are the problem kids a national org? Is the I.F.C talking to them? It sounds like they need to be put on check. Of course if it is them. Make sure you have evidence because going around blaming people can get you hurt. Also, what did Kappa Sigma do to find the cats who did it? The Kappa Sigma's at Berkeley would have tossed some one up. Violence is not the answer but some times you need to do shit that does not make you proud. All and all I hope you orgs. find a way to stop childish behavior.
FKT
www.bspotonline.com/phitau

[EtaPhiZTA]

I agree with dzrose93. What was done was terrible, but I absolutely love her idea about a possible solution. What a great way to show Greek unity on your campus!

[DeltaSig]

............................o.k. let me begin..1. I can understand the whole point about destroying a good idea, definitely understandable because it takes time and money to create such a product. 2. I am deeply offended by the comment that the colony is "Ghetto" and mostly "1st generation..etc". You obviously don't know all the members well enough to make that decision. How do I know so much....3. I joined that colony in fall of 2000..I loved the guys that founded that colony especially the older ones. I've been gone the past year because I transferred to our Gamma Xi chapter at The University of North Texas which is one of our most established and best chapters in the country. They love our colony and the heart we have for being such a young group trying to establish ourselves. I talked to the majority of our chapters in texas and they feel the same way. I personally am not a 1st Gen. College student and sure as hell am not "Ghetto." My cousin was also a Delta Sig and believe me I know how the Greek system works. Anyways I have an illness in my family so I felt it right for me to transfer back home because I am almost done with school and I don't mind coming back to SA. Yeah some of the guys are rough around the edges but it's not like any chapter doesn't. I am still pretty anxious to come back and show some leadership when I com back in Spring but until then I will help out as much as I can while being alumni. But really what DO I KNOW..I DON't KNOW S**T about greek life or should belong to a Greek organization because I'm "GHETTO". Sorry to keep dragging down your image of greeks....since I don't know how to act in college because I'm a "FIRST GENERATION COLLEGE STUDENT"...and since your on the subject of hazing and being sterotypical..I won't even mention the kind of trouble your chapter at UNT has had because you would be backtracking from the generalizations you made in your post. But I'll be the bigger man and not post their troubles. I've been viewing this site since fall of 2000 so I am aware of your comments. You should really watch what comments you post because you never know who's watching...the word"colony" goes along way when there's only one on campus. I suggest if you have any more comments incinuating or suggesting blame towards my fraternity pm me so we can discuss it.........greek to greek....
Mike

[lifesaver]

Originally posted by DeltaSig

Mike, I have known you were on the boards for a while. THis is a pretty small on-line community. I figured you out on the "greeks at your school" post a while back.

Its also no secret of the anomosity between your group and some of the others on our campus.

I apologize for indirectly, yet directly accusing your org of the theft of the banner, w/out proof. I shouldnt have done that. My above post has been edited.

I do think it is symbolic of the frustration many members of our greek community feel about a group that at times, has failed to live up to community standards. All of us fail to meet those standards at times, we're imperfect humans in imperfect orgs. What I dont think members of your org realize is that most all of the fraternities busted their ass to get you all on campus. Tons of us worked countless hours, because we believed in, and continue to believe in the expansion of our greek community. We sent tons of letters, sat through countless hours of expansion meetings and presentations. It was down to three groups, (after KA pulled out at the last minute) Delta Sig, SAE and Pike. Delta Sig got the nod because they had been working very hard since '96 to expand to our campus after the successful expansion to SWT in the early 90's. I even attended a reception with your national officers at your national convention here in SA when ya'll were looking to expand. I have tons of respect for the national org, and it was with much anticipation and excitement that your expansion team was welcomed to campus. Hell, we (IFC member fraternities) helped recruit your founding fathers. We believed and still do in Delta Sig at our school.

It then gets frustrating when recruitment policies are violated, slurs are aired and individual members behave in a less than fraternal manner. Unfortunately, as you know, the actions of a few reflect on the whole. I have heard from a few groups on campus who have been dissapointed with the status of things.

I am not saying that your, or any new group should come to the established chapters on bended knee. We were all just taken aback when the new members of your org came out with what seemed to us a "fu*k ya'll" attitude, after the work we had put in to get you here. Thats just not how it was done on our campus. It disapoints me to hear comments from other members of our communitylike, "damn. Wish we wouldda chosen Pike." Thats not right. I dont regret our decision. ALL of us want to help. Ya'll were welcomed into our greek community. We do want you here. We all believe in the incredible gift that is fraternity and sorority. We want to help in any way possible. We want to see you charterd. Maybe the upshot of this is that all our groups can come toghether for a better understanding of our backgrounds and respect each others differences and celebrate our commonalities.

PM me if you want.

[theta sig agd]

...how do you know it was another greek group and not an anit-greek independant?

[shadokat]

On our campus, during informal recruitment for sororities and all the time for fraternities, we use banners to advertise our recruitment events. And it never fails that at least one banner gets stolen or defaced during that time. They hang on the basketball court fences in the middle of campus. SO, to rectify the situation, we have teams that put the banner up in the morning and take it down at dark. It's just easier to do this than to keep having to make new banners.

This also happens with our houses and our letters on them. Fraternities think it's funny to steal a letter off of our houses. I can't tell you the countless times we were Delta Phi or Phi Epsilon instead of Delta Phi Epsilon....and remaking those letters is a pain in the ass!!!

[damasa]

Originally posted by shadokat

This also happens with our houses and our letters on them. Fraternities think it's funny to steal a letter off of our houses. I can't tell you the countless times we were Delta Phi or Phi Epsilon instead of Delta Phi Epsilon....and remaking those letters is a pain in the ass!!!

LoL, we did that once upon a time...but we actually gave the letter(s) that we took back a few days later.
But, we are onto a new thing. We made new letters of our own, and it's always fun to put them up on a house in the early a.m. hours and take pictures of it.
Yes the tke house has been the second phi sigma delta house many times.....but, we usually take pictures of our letters placed on different campus buildings as well, so it's just one of our things.

[aephi alum]

Originally posted by shadokat
This also happens with our houses and our letters on them. Fraternities think it's funny to steal a letter off of our houses. I can't tell you the countless times we were Delta Phi or Phi Epsilon instead of Delta Phi Epsilon....and remaking those letters is a pain in the ass!!!

This happened at my school too - letters on houses would be removed or changed. On one occasion some AXO's went to ATO's house and replaced the Tau with a Chi...

There is a strong code of ethics at my school regarding this sort of thing - you must do no damage. The Tau was intact behind the Chi, and some AXO's came by to help the ATO's remove the Chi. (Fortunately, the Chi did not land on anyone's head! )

[AOX81]

My husband invested $250-$300 of his own money to have a Welcome Freshmen displayed out in front of the Lambda Chi house. The next day it mysteriously disappeared. One of my sisters actually saw it at the house next door to them but they never returned it...this was two years ago! It's one thing to steal it as a joke and then return it but when you keep something that is not yours that's just f*ckedup!! Some people are just really immature!!!

[shadokat]

On my campus, anything from a fraternity or sorority house is fair game. When mixers were ok in fraternity houses, and we did a quad, a paddle or a composite would always come up missing! Or, they'd have their pledges come to our houses and steal our paddles or composites.

One time, we found out who stole our Delta off our house, and ironically, it was a fraternity who has a Delta in their name. SO, what we did, was went and took their Delta and put it up on our house.