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Old 06-11-2002, 06:01 PM
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Old 06-11-2002, 06:22 PM
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Wo MEN should never have GUNS!!!! They are not stable enuff!

Where have you been lady! Nope, My ex tried to stab me but I had the training to take it away from her!

Guns kill people, not the morons that have the guns! DAAAAAA!

Hell I want a rocket, have all kinds of guns, long and short!

Could start a war in a 3 rd world country!

Guns NO for the common folk, NO WAY! Get in trouble that way! Shoot your self!
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Old 06-11-2002, 09:00 PM
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OMG!!! A post right up my alley! Something that I actually know something about.

First, are you absolutely certain about this decision? What precipitated this epiphany? As much as I think guns are a good idea, they are not for everyone. They take committment.

Second, before you ever get control of a firearm you should take an NRA firearm safety class. The NRA is the leading organization for firearms safety and has been for over 100 years and were the training organization for law enforcement until the 1980's. They will also teach you safe firearms storage so children do not access your firearm while you are away.

Third, I need to know where you are. The laws at a federal level are the same from state to state, but each state has passed its' own legislation and the restrictions vary widely. These restrictions determine whether or not you need a license to purchase and how the license to carry, if any, is handled. With any luck you live in Vermont which has no handguns restrictions allowing residents to purchase and carry guns after only complying with federal regulations.

Fourth, speaking of laws. If you plan on using the firearm for defensive purposes, you will need to become familiar with the laws in your state. I say this because even though you want to 'learn to shoot' you ask for recommendation for 'a type of weapon'. For example, where I live, in Texas, it is legal to shoot 'taggers' if you catch them in the act at night. It is called 'criminal mischief in the night time' and lethal force is justified to prevent it. You are also able to shoot someone for a 'theft in the night time'. Be aware that Texas is the only state that has conditions which, by statute, allow lethal force to be used to protect property. The owner decides whether or not the thief's life is worth more the car stereo that he just stole. If you are willing to lose your stereo, that is for you to decide. If you are willing to kill for it, that is your decision as well. Texas will back you up whichever you choose.

Fifth, depending on how much you plan on getting into shooting and what you are planning to use the gun for will determine which firearm you purchase. Do not buy a gun right away, you shoot and train to determine which is best, then buy what you like. Initially I would suggest a Ruger SP101 in .357 mag. It is a rather heavy gun for its' size and will allow you to shoot the lower powered .38 Special ammunition. The pistol fits smaller hands well yet weighs enough to help with recoil management. You will start shooting with a .22 to get your 'technique' down and learn about recoil, then move up in power. During this process you may decide that you prefer a semiautomatic pistol and decide to go that way. This is why I suggest the training first, then buy the gun. If you do choose a semiauto, be aware that they take more practice to operate properly. Speaking of practice, you should practice monthly if possible to maintain, or develop, proficiency with your firearm. Your gun does you no good if you are not willing to use it or are not able to hit what you intend to. In fact, if you miss your target, you are legally responsible for where those bullets end up, so they better end up where you intended or someplace safe. If monthly practice is out of the question, then you should at least go out twice a year. Even law officers must requalify on a regular basis, about once or twice a year.

If you are someplace that I go, I can provide training. If not there is a good chance that I may know someone in your area who can or will know where to go for what you are looking for.

Good luck and be careful.
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Old 06-11-2002, 10:01 PM
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Disclaimer..the following reply is posted by Hubby..

brooklineu:

My name is Tom; my wife saw your post and asked me to
lend some advice. I hope I sound a little more rational than
your last reply. I leaned to shoot "from scratch" in my
twenties. I didn't like guns before then, but I recognised
that my future residence would require that I at least know
something about them. What I hadn't expected was how
much fun guns are to shoot, and how much fun I could have
with friends who also liked shooting.

If you're completely new, have no shooting friends (I bet
you'll find some "hidden" ones when you start..), and
aren't familiar with the local clubs, grab your Yellow Pages.
Look under "Guns". You will see your local gun shops. If
you're in a big town or a city, there may be several. Look for
"Indoor Range" or "Lessons". These are the places to try first.

If you're in a town that doesn't have a gun shop or indoor
range, you will have to go to the public library and try the
Yellow Pages of the nearest big town until you find one. You
can go out of state, if your state is lean pickings, but you
won't be able to buy a handgun out of state and bring it
back. More on that later, but you should be able to find a
good gun shop within an hour's drive.

Go there on a morning (weekdays, if you can - they get
busy on Saturday), tell them you're not buying a gun yet,
but that you're interested if they have beginners' shooting
lessons. If they don't, see if someone gives private or
NRA-sponsored lessons. This isn't a pitch for the NRA, but they
have been giving safe, responsible shooting lesons for a
long time, and are the least likely to give you wrong advice.

If nobody gives lessons, try the next shop. Keep trying until
you find a place that looks well-run, has friendly staff that
won't talk down to you or try to sell you a gun before you take
lessons. Most shops with an indoor range will rent you a
firearm, targets, hearing and eye protection and will provide
these to their class, so you usually don't need a gun to take
lessons.

I would _strongly_ recommend that if you have a choice,
the first gun you shoot will be a .22. These are also known as
.22 LR or Long Rifle - they're the inch-long .22 rounds that
people use for plinking and target practice. They're loud
enough to need hearing protection, but they don't blast like
bigger cartridges, and you can concentrate on learning how to
grip and aim the pistol before dealing with flinching. I will
usually take a .22 along to practice, even if I'm firing a .45,
to get used to handling a gun again. There's also very little
recoil, and they are fun to shoot. There isn't too much difference
in price or accuracy in the basic lineup of the major gun makers:
Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Taurus, Browning, etc. Revolver or
pistol is your choice - revolvers are simpler, and easier to
keep clean, but autos can be more fun to shoot.

If that's not an option, try for a full-size .38 Special, and
ask for mild wadcutter loads. These are flat-faced rounds that
make a clean hole in a target without as much blast as
defense rounds. If they insist on giving you a 9mm auto
or a .38 snubnose pistol to start with, you can try it, but ask
for your money back if the blast and recoil are too much at the
start. Using a full sized pistol gives you a better grip, it's easier
to aim, and it doesn't recoil as badly as a snubby, which can
be painful to shoot.

If you are learning with the right sized gun, your first session
should be pretty nervous, but you should come out feeling
pretty good. Learning safety and handling first reduces the
chances of doing something dumb later. It will also reduce the
risk of hurting yourself if you do make mistakes.

I mention recoil and blast up front because flinching is a
newcomer's worst enemy. If your gun makes you twitch every
time you pull the trigger, you won't find shooting fun. However,
as you learn to shoot, you will learn ways to steady any
firearm and handle the recoil. When you are ready, there should
be no limitation of "ladies gun" holding you back from the
style and size of pistol you want. My younger sister likes a
9mm, and keeps a .38 snub around for walks down country
roads with her dog. Her daughter takes the .38 with her on
her ATV rides. My youngest sister likes to shoot my .45.
Your gender is no limit on your caliber, and you'll find that
some shooting sports require bigger guns - bowling pin shoots,
for instance...

When you are ready to buy a pistol, I can give you some advice.
The gun market has enlarged greatly from when I started
shooting in the Eighties, but there are still some good bets
and bad ones for first gun. First, you'e going to either have this
gun for most of you life if you like shooting, or you're going to
sell it within a year or two. Either way, you should expect to
spend at least $250 - $400 on a new pistol, or $200 on a
used police pistol. Buy good quality guns. I've bought the
cheap little pistols for $129 and under, and they aren't safe,
they aren't accurate, and worst of all, they sometimes don't
go off when you need them. Don't let anyone talk you into
a pistol you don't trust just because it's a "bargain". You
can find some good pistols in used police firearms, because
they are quality firearms that typically sell for about 1/2 to
2/3 of a new gun, with comparable accuracy and reliability.
Few .22's in this class, however. Buying used is a better option
for your second pistol (then you can buy your third new, your
fourth used...)

You don't need a license in most places to buy a pistol, but you
do have to fill out BATF paperwork, if you buy from a dealer.
If you buy from a private citizen, you don't need any paperwork.
You will need a carry license in most states to carry a firearm
around (I have one for GA, and I had one for MS when I lived
there). It isn't necessary to have a license to transport a firearm
to the range, to shooting events or to go hunting. Your
shooting class should cover the details. You can only buy
handguns in your home state, but you can buy rifles or
shotguns out of state.

Your first pistol will depend on what you've tried in class, what
you try on a range as a loan from other people or friends, or
what you discover from friends who "come out of the closet"
when they find out you're learning to shoot. Whatever you
get, think of it as your main practice pistol - get something you
like to shoot, and can shoot well. For most people, that will
be a .22LR revolver or automatic pistol, or a large-frame .38,
or maybe a 9mm auto. The .22 is the easiest and cheapest to
shoot - ammo is $2 a box of 50, versus $10 to $15 per box
of 20 for the others. Lots more practice, which means you'll
shoot better, quicker. Target-grade .22s are easy to find,
and not expensive. I bought a .22 revolver as my first pistol,
and 20 years later, I still have it.

Your class will stress gun safety as the first thing you should
learn, and the thing that should be first on your mind when
ever you're around firearms. There are books out there which
can help reinforce your training, and add additional suggestions
that meet your needs - as a target shooter, as a homeowner,
or as a parent. There are also online resources - rec.guns is
a very good one - I don't have their web site at the moment,
but a search on rec.guns should turn it up. The Police Bookshelf
is also a good resource - I have several of their books, worn
and lent out to friends countless times. You can learn to own
a gun safely. All it takes is your determination.

One last thing to mention is that if you like shooting, whether
you go on to buy more than one gun, practice, practice, practice.
Find a closer range, if it's trouble to drive to your first one.
Go at least once every couple of weeks at the start. One of
the least desireable things that happens to some beginners is
that they buy a gun, then go to the range once, then buy
some cartridges, then put the gun in a drawer, and in a year,
they don't know where the gun is, if it's loaded, or where the
ammo is. That's an accident waiting to happen.

I suggest you go and learn about guns before you buy one,
see if you really want to own one, and then make your gun
your buddy if you do decide to get one. That way, you know
what you can do with it, and how to handle it safely. That's the
best way to learn to shoot.

Although I don't read my wife's forum, she watches out for replies
and can forward any questions you have. I can also answer
some questions about pro's and con's of specific handguns,
if you decide on a model. There's a good magazine out there -
"Women and Guns" - that has good, honest reviews of
firearms and women's issues with them. It may be tough to
find, but it's a welcome change from the "Magnum of the Month"
gun mags. Welcome to the sport of shooting.

((My Gosh...I didn't know he was writing a dissertation, lol!))

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Old 06-11-2002, 10:10 PM
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Old 06-11-2002, 10:11 PM
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For example, where I live, in Texas, it is legal to shoot 'taggers' if you catch them in the act at night. It is called 'criminal mischief in the night time' and lethal force is justified to prevent it. You are also able to shoot someone for a 'theft in the night time'. Be aware that Texas is the only state that has conditions which, by statute, allow lethal force to be used to protect property. The owner decides whether or not the thief's life is worth more the car stereo that he just stole. If you are willing to lose your stereo, that is for you to decide. If you are willing to kill for it, that is your decision as well. Texas will back you up whichever you choose.
I know this is getting off topic and I am seriously not trying to offend anyone, but DAMN am I glad that I don't live in Texas. People seriously think that a car stereo is worth more than someone's life? Please.
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Old 06-11-2002, 10:44 PM
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Lynn's comments..

Many states (like Georgia) will do a quick namecheck (i.e., Brady Bill law), to see if you have been convicted for a felony or have any other prohibitors before the firearm can be sold to you.

You will probably be required to get the Pistol Toter's license. In Ga., the cost that the Probate Court charges will include $24 for a first timer for the criminal history with fingerprints check b/c it checks Ga and the III; the renewal is $15 b/c it only checks Ga.

And no, I do not share hubby's gun hobby,
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Old 06-11-2002, 11:45 PM
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GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!

While may be true, I am ex law and a bullet hurts! Been Shot and walked like Chester on GunSmoke!

I am not saying it is wrong to have a weapon to protect yourself just be be big enuff to use it if need be!

I learnd real quick that there was some SOB bigger than me who might shove it up my butt! Sorry but true!

I always figured if it became betwee me or thee it aint goig to be me! Hate pain!

EVERYONE should have a gun! Why not?

Oh hell,what do I know! gO FOR IT! aND GOODNIGHT!
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Old 06-12-2002, 12:17 AM
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Oklahoma is one of those states where you can get a license to carry a concealed weapon. You have to take all kinds of training classes and the license is fairly expensive.

I plan on doing it when I'm 25 if I still live here.
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Old 06-12-2002, 12:40 AM
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l will have to agree with what I think Tom is saying. I was always taught that only a scared man carries a gun on his side. And thats just the way it was, and my old man despised handguns. When I left home I bought my first Blackhawk, and to this day its the only handgun I own on top of long gun after long gun.

I will agree with starting at the 22 level. Single or double action to start. Ruger makes a semi auto called a Buckmark that is a exceptional gun. You will truely enjoy shooting it. I recomend a 357 for personal use, as it shoots the 38 special and 357 mag all in one. The 38 is low kick and females will have no trouble handling it for plinking, given proper instruction.

Sign up or a concealed and carry class in your area, I'm sure you can find out where these are held at your courthouse, or local firearms dealer.
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Old 06-12-2002, 03:56 AM
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valkyrie, think of it this way. Texas allows a criminal to determine the value of his own life. In the 10+ years that I have lived here 'theft in the night time' as resulted in the thieves death over a lawnmower, bicycle, automobiles, and even $2 in cash. There was also an instance of a police officer and his son shooting two gang bangers late one night from the roof of their home. Apparently the gang members didn't think much of a cops kid and though they would spray paint graffiti on the fence. One dead, one wounded, for 'criminal mischief in the night time.' If a person commits a criminal act over $2 in cash he has put his life on the line for that $2. That was the criminals decision. Had he not committed the crime he would not have been killed. As a result we have a low crime rate. I live in Austin and in 2000 the murder rate here was 4.9 per 100,000 and out of 300 cities we rank a dismal 165th. In Chicago it was 21.9 per 100,000 and Chicago makes us look good ranking 23rd. We only had 29 murders in 2001.
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Old 06-12-2002, 10:50 PM
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I have to say that I agree with Texas on this one. If you're willing to risk your life to commit a crime, then that's your problem. I've felt for a very long time that tougher laws would cut the crime rate in this country. Texas' low crime rate backs my belief strongly.

I hate to see anyone lose their life over something as petty as spraypainting a fence or stealing a stereo. But if someone came skulking about in the middle of the night around my door, then I would (if I owned a gun) shoot first and ask questions later -- and feel justified in doing so. My safety and that of my family's is my main concern, and I would expect the authorities to understand.

Makes me want to move to Texas.
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Old 06-13-2002, 10:31 AM
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If this is something you are really interested in your best bet would be to find an NRA sanctioned class for women or a co-ed class. They have the professionals to help you learn the important stuff. Most gun brokers can give the locations of quality shooting ranges or gun clubs, it may take a little while to find the one you like. Me I learned to shoot the old fashioned way in the back yard with my daddy. But I have since completed lesson and joined the NRA. KABillyMac is right the 38 is an easy gun to learn with, but I also have a 9 and 10mm. Just figure out what you are comfortable with. Good Luck, if you want more info on women shooting and lessons PM me.
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Old 06-13-2002, 02:02 PM
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What if some one robs me in the day time? Could I shoot them then? I think that law is messed up. But if I ever go to Texas, I'll be packin. Sticks and stones might break a few bones but my .357 gonna blow your damn head off. Peace cuz im outy out
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Old 06-13-2002, 02:12 PM
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Women should never have GUNS!!!! They are not stable enuff!
Wrong!

Matter of fact, it should be legal for us women to carry around guns. The world is too dangerous!
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