keg violation

[6uldv8]

If a GLO on your campus had a keg violation, what would the standard disciplinay action? How long do you think a suspension should be?

[shadokat]

Depends...usually, they are thrown off campus for at least a year. If they have had previous violations, that amount of time will go up, and at three strikes, they are permanently thrown off. Not that it makes a difference, because they just operate underground and continue just fine.

[josh8o]

good question...has me thinking. i know it's a big deal at my school, but i don't think the fraternity would be kicked off. one house on my campus had a huge drug bust by local police this summer and they are still on campus. all they got was social probation for a long time, and a bunch of regulations that they have to follow in order to be back into normal standings.

[AOX81]

We don't have keg violations. Our school is not that involved with our Greek community. We have five organizations and we all party together. If we told on someone else we would basically be telling on ourselves. We know when to keep our mouths shut. We try to solve problems amongst ourselves and keep the school out of it. Don't need any bad publicity!

Have a nice day

[shadokat]

You're lucky. Our local police bust parties weekly!!

Originally posted by AOX81
We don't have keg violations. Our school is not that involved with our Greek community. We have five organizations and we all party together. If we told on someone else we would basically be telling on ourselves. We know when to keep our mouths shut. We try to solve problems amongst ourselves and keep the school out of it. Don't need any bad publicity!

Have a nice day

[SAEalumnus]

On my campus it's more up to the national office of whichever fraternity/sorority was involved. The school doesn't really have many rules to that effect - they actually don't really care about us Greeks and would just as soon give us all the boot as the time of day. I don't want to go off on a rant, but...

[ZTAngel]

They'd probably be placed on suspension. We've had a couple of events occur at my school with one fraternity who kept getting caught by undercover cops with having underage drinkers. I have not been kicked off campus but they have been suspended from many social events including Greek Week and Homecoming.

[Kevin]

Well, unfortunately my campus has a very strict alcohol policy (strict to the point of ignoring reality). No organization on our campus is allowed to have alcohol at any of its functions. It's automatic expulsion from the campus for a violation.

There was a fraternity that was kicked off campus a couple years back for a keg violation. I've heard rumours that they -- feeling like they were unfairly targeted are now trying to get other houses kicked off campus for alcohol violations.

The scary thing is that our student constitution describes an "event" as anything at which three or more members are present.

Currently in the student senate we're working towards a new alcohol policy that allows 3rd party vendors to serve alcohol at our parties... But currently we only have anything to serve at 'afterparties' which is risky in itself.

LHT,
Kevin

[hoosier]

Monday, Mar. 4, 2002

UNL: Delta Upsilon to be spanked for alcohol violations
BY MARTHA STODDARD Lincoln Journal Star
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The photograph e-mailed to the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Office of Greek Affairs late Tuesday afternoon revealed more than the bare bottoms of two Delta Upsilon fraternity members.

It also showed a clear violation of university alcohol policy and a possible violation of rules against hazing and physical abuse, said Jim Griesen, vice chancellor for student affairs.

The photograph depicts nine young men in the corner of a large room, several holding beer cans. Two of the men are bent over, with their pants lowered to display dark red marks on their bare buttocks. A third man crouches between them, holding a wooden paddle with the Greek letters delta and upsilon.

Griesen said preliminary investigations confirmed that the photo was real and was taken in the basement of the Delta Upsilon house, 1548 Vine St.

"Conclusion one is, yes, Delta Upsilon is going to be in trouble for having alcohol in the house," he said. That violation already has been turned over to the Office of Student Judicial Affairs.

Conclusion two is that at least one pledge and his pledge "father" traded swats with a commemorative fraternity paddle, Griesen said. The incident apparently occurred following the initiation banquet for fraternity pledges.

Spanking rituals have been a tradition in fraternities across the country for many years, he said. Both he and a younger student affairs staff member recall such during their college days, although there have been no reports of such at UNL before.

"We are led to believe that this was just the traditional trading of swats," Griesen said.

Whether the behavior violated the Student Code of Conduct or state law remains to be seen, especially because the acts were reported to be voluntary, he said. Griesen said he is reviewing the rules and has asked UNL Police Chief Owen Yardley to investigate further.

Yardley said he doesn't expect to finish the investigation until early next week.

The local fraternity also may be subject to disciplinary measures by Delta Upsilon's alumni chapter and international organization, said Andrew Carr, chapter president and a junior from Nebraska City.

He said he first learned of the photo through a phone call from a friend last week. He said the men in the photo are current members, but an internal investigation is under way to find out the circumstances of the photo.

"I'm aware of the situation," Carr said. "It's very disheartening to me. It does show bad judgment on the part of a few people. Our alumni chapter, our international chapter and the university are working very hard to make sure it doesn't happen again."

[OnePlus69Is70]

at UMass Amherst we have a great thing going (I'm being sarcastic). Inside the township of Amherst, kegs are illegal without a special permit, which is nearly impossible to obtain. Since fraternities are technically off-campus housing, they're within Amherst jurisdiction, and so the Amherst police will bust parties with kegs. I'm not certain what the fine is, but it's fairly severe. Most houses stick to 30's.

On campus, kegs are not allowed in the dorms. But then, alcohol is almost completely banned in the dorms. The only way to have an alcoholic beverage on campus is if all the residents of a room are over 21, and then the limit is a 30 or one liter of hard alcohol per resident. No open containers in common areas or hallways, ever. Violating the policy sends you to an alcohol awareness workshop, for which you pay $50.

They're a charming bunch of Nazis up here in Amherst.

[LXAAlum]

Amherst? Isn't this the same community where a professor of physics at UMASS Amherst stated that the US flag should not be displayed in town, or on campus, because it was a symbol of opression and hatred?

Anyway, I digress....

Most campuses, and, many national GLO organizations do not want kegs for legal liability reasons - Large beverage containers are considered more liable for damages than say, having 20 cases of beer instead (I think of it as a keg in easy to carry individual servings....) - but, the attorney's can easily run amuck when problems arise especially with a keg. Why the distinction? I really don't know...perhaps someone can shed some light on this for all of us.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by LXAAlum
Most campuses, and, many national GLO organizations do not want kegs for legal liability reasons - Large beverage containers are considered more liable for damages than say, having 20 cases of beer instead (I think of it as a keg in easy to carry individual servings....) - but, the attorney's can easily run amuck when problems arise especially with a keg. Why the distinction? I really don't know...perhaps someone can shed some light on this for all of us.

It's the so-called "common-container" rules - apparently individual servings contribute less to breaking the laws and endangering the youth of america, so kegs (along with 'trashcan punch' etc) fall under common-container laws.

Just something else to throw at people serving under-age kids, sort of like "serving w/out a license" and other such laws.

(btw - around 7 cases to a keg)

[Kapsig1]

(btw - around 7 cases to a keg) [/B][/QUOTE]


Which is more expensive and yet another "deterrent." Of course we all know that you can get just as blotto off of canned beer as you can off of keg beer.

Bottom line - this saves $'s on insurance.

Brad

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Kapsig1
(btw - around 7 cases to a keg)

Which is more expensive and yet another "deterrent." Of course we all know that you can get just as blotto off of canned beer as you can off of keg beer.

Bottom line - this saves $'s on insurance.

Brad [/B][/QUOTE]

Very good point, Brad - didn't even look at it on that level, was more looking at the legal standpoint.

[RACooper]

Like some other mentioned, our school isn't involved with the Greek system, and as such there is no keg polivy. However even if the school was involved, it would be hard pressed to enact a keg policy as 90% of the students are of legal drinking age (19).

In fact as our chapter (Lambda Chi) strickly follows the ban on kegs mandated by international, most students look at us like there is something wrong with the house. After all if the felt like it they could bring a keg to their house, or in some cases their residence. It makes it difficult during the rush period when we are dry, because most students would rather get a beer after class, or at the very least look at other houses that will allow a rush to have a drink at their house.