Jay-Z vs Nas

DELTAQTE · #1 01-28-2002, 03:42 AM

I looked at the other forums and didn't find this thread, which shocked me since this is one of the hottest on wax battles out right now!

I was watching the MTV special on this(featuring "man of many doo-rags" Sway

) and it really put into perspective where this beef started from. Did any of you guys watch it? What do you think of the whole beef going on?

I don't know about about y'all, but I am a NAS fan through and through, I do give Jay-Z credit for bringing out the best in Nas(did I mention how fine he is? lol!)

QTE

CrimsonTide4 · #2 01-28-2002, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by DELTAQTE
(featuring "man of many doo-rags" Sway )

CTHU, I watched this with some peeps and that was one of the first things they commented on. LOL

ENDROAD · #3 01-28-2002, 02:01 PM

My husband tells me the whole drama started over Nas' baby Mama. You know Jay Z supposedly "banged" her and Nas is super teed off.

That is my info......

I see a Biggie Smalls vs Tupac over Faith Hill rerun coming. Let us hope this one has a happy ending.

ClassyLady · #4 01-28-2002, 02:29 PM

I really didn't like MTV's coverage of this battle. First, they made it seem like Jay-Z started it at the Summer Jam Concert. In actuality, the beef started about two years ago. Suposedly, Nas and Progidy kept talking slick about Jay-Z and then smiling in his face.

I have always been a Nas fan, but I think that he's losing this battle. Jay-Z is killing him. Like Jay said all Nas does is "rap rumors and innuendos." He's really not saying anything about Jay-Z.

I don't think that this will escalate to the level that Big and Pac did. They have both said that this is just music. Battling is one of the foundations of hip-hop. It's all in fun. Really, Big and Pac weren't battling because Biggie never responded to any of the things that Tupac said about him.

Kimmie1913 · #5 01-28-2002, 02:45 PM

I didin't watch the whole special but I thought they said it started from Jay-Z hearing NAs saying some unflattering things baout him. on a radio station in LA. But maybe hat was later inthe chronology.

Did they even address the baby's mama thing on MTV? It is all through Jay-z raps. When Nas was on the radio out here (in B-more) they asked him about the baby mama thing. He compared it to Big, Tupac and Faith and said that they weren't fighting over Faith, she just got used in the battle to push buttons- same thing here.

DELTAQTE · #6 01-29-2002, 02:34 AM

They didn't talk abou the baby mama thing, but KRS-1 said it on the special "Fact hurts more than the mess talking", and all I know is that the girl works at Rocafella and that is the exact reason why Jay-Z got with her cause she was Nas baby mama.

Even though it's known she "been around" in the industry, I respect Nas because he went on the radio and said "I don't think Jay should have put her in it, she's still my baby's mother and she should be disrespected like that".

Once again, Go Nas!

QTE

SweetestDiva · #7 01-29-2002, 02:19 PM

Lyrically, Nas is the better rapper, hands down. Jigga is more likely to make me wanna get on the dance floor. So I guess I like them both the same, for different reasons.

As far as the battle, Nas is winning in my opinion because of his lyrical content. However, I think the battle could just be to spark more interest (READ: SALES)... and obviously, it's working.

Three_Love · #8 01-30-2002, 01:11 AM

Nas blew Jay Z out the water with "Ether" - his new CD "Stillmatic" is the bomb. 5 mics from The Source. It is worth it - pick that joint up if you haven't already. Nas also wrecks on "Destroy and Rebuild".

Jay Z is lookin' real crazy right now to me. Nas definitely is winning the battle.

straightBOS · #9 01-30-2002, 01:45 AM

NASIR NASIR NASIR!!!!

side note: actually there is a thread on this subject in the Zeta Phi Beta forum

... but, back to the main event.

Nas has it hands down. For those of you who missed it, you gotta take that extra second to LISTEN to the lyrics of "Ether" and you will realize just how severely Jay-Z got SERVED. From past to present he covered things that are in the Jiggaman hall of shame.

Basically, it was a battle for rap supremacy that took a turn for superstardom. It started shortly after Jay-Z, ignored on "Reasonable Doubt" began to gain steam in the industry. But, Nas was still regarded as one of the best lyricist in the game.

Well, with the death of Biggie, Jay-Z knew that there was no one- with his "party rap style" that could touch him when he declared himself the king of NYC. Also, with Nas introducing the Escobar moniker and the train-wreck of the “Firm” LP, as well as “Nastradamus”, everyone pretty much declared that Nasir fell off.

The Baby Mama Drama: Well, that was some silly stuff. Basically, a grown-ass man taking his job way to serious. 1) Chick was a hoe from wayyyyyy back. 2) Nas got himself caught up the situation and, as a grown man did not abandon his seed. 3) Jay-Z saw the opportunity to “layeth the smack down” so that he could say something in a rap afterwards (can someone say “Obsession?”)…. Now, I guess he could get points for that, but really, it’s not like she wasn’t already easy.

Well, I admit to being a little bias as a long time Nas fan. But really, beyond the baby-mama thing Jay really doesn’t have much to say. And, it is obvious that he’s really bad at fighting his way out of a corner. Has anyone heard “Super Ugly”—it was poor excuse for a comeback song and not worthy of a Nas reply.

And yes, "Stillmatic" earned the 5 mics and then some. "All I need is one mic..."

Sugar_N_Spice · #10 01-30-2002, 04:49 AM

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Originally posted by straightBOS
And, it is obvious that he’s really bad at fighting his way out of a corner. Has anyone heard “Super Ugly”—it was poor excuse for a comeback song and not worthy of a Nas reply.

Actually, Jay-Z said that "Super Ugly" was not a response to Nas' "Ether" (which, may I add, is the SHIZZZZNITTT!!)--it was "supposedly" a freestyle recording...

Whateva, maaaaan!! Like Sweetest Diva said, Nas is killing Jay on the lyrical tip, but Jay is killing Nas in record sales (which DO NOT necessarily represent how tight an artist is, may I add).

IMO, Jay "fell off" (aka "Sold Out") after his "Reasonable Doubt" CD...His older CD's have more lyrical content than "I love Girls, Girls, Girls" (WTF?? Could you NOT think of anything else to rap about besides girls, pimping, and your bling-bling?!

Nas gets mad respect for staying true to his art...

straightBOS · #11 01-30-2002, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Sugar_N_Spice

Actually, Jay-Z said that "Super Ugly" was not a response to Nas' "Ether" (which, may I add, is the SHIZZZZNITTT!!)--it was "supposedly" a freestyle recording...

Actually it was. It was hyped up to be by the Rocafella camp. Dang, I'm in Boston and they were running the blitzkrieg ads on the radio out here for it for a munite. They stopped in the middle of the day when it came out just to play "Ether" and then "super ugly."

"Super Ugly" only became a "minor studio freestyle" AFTER it was deemed unworthy of battle by the Hot 97 poll in NYC. Also, the funny thing is, Jay says he doesn't write down any lyrics, so technically, isn't every song a freestyle recording (before he memorizes it).

But I gotta agree, when it comes to record sales its all Roc-a-Fella, and in an industry based on platinum plaques, I guess you gotta respect the fact that he is playing the game right.

ClassyLady · #12 01-30-2002, 12:47 PM

I'm sorry, but I don't think "Ether" is worthy at all. It's really not hot. He isn't saying anything and it's nothing that really blows me away. When I first heard "The Takover", I wanted to hear it again. When I first heard "Ether", I wanted that long, boring song to hurry up and go off of the radio.

Let's be real. Before this whole beef and battle, who was paying any attention to Nas. None of his albums were up the standard he set with Illmatic and fans took notice. Lots of people lost respect for him and his record sales were showing it. So, he probably thought to himself "what's a quick way to boost my sales?" He could release a hot album, but since lots of people had already lost interest, its sales probably wouldn't have been any better. The quickest way to boost those sale is to start a battle. And, since Jay-Z is the most popular and best selling rapper, he is the prime candidate.

Three_Love · #13 01-30-2002, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by ClassyLady
I'm sorry, but I don't think "Ether" is worthy at all. It's really not hot. Let's be real. Before this whole beef and battle, who was paying any attention to Nas

"Illmatic" was the bomb, and so yeah, his next releases after that didn't reach the super high heights of "Ill", but there are a lot of folks, me included, who were eagerly awaiting his new release and knew nothing about the whole "Jay Z" battle. I heard "Ether" and was like, dang, that's hot, but why is he going off on Jay Z - I didn't know anything about "Takeover". But I'm not just talking about the hype of "Ether" - I"m talking about the entire "Stillmatic" album. "Ether" ain't even the best cut..."One Mic", "Destroy and Rebuild", "Rewind", "My Country"...the whole album is TIGHT (like gnat booty). The beats, the lyrics...Nas came with the FI-YAH!!

The battle with Jay Z ain't got nothin' to do with Nas selling records - he's selling because his lyrics are tight and like he said, "The King is back, where my crown at".

straightBOS · #14 01-30-2002, 03:29 PM

Also, most people forget that Jay-Z stole that beef with Nas from Memphis Bleek. Bleek was the first to attack NAS and call him out. But where's Bleek? The little one knew he didn't have what it took to test Nasir, so all of a sudden Jay-Z has a takeover??

Let's remember no one was hearing Jiggaman when he fist came out. Where's that "hawaiian Sophie" tape at, for real. Only when he switched his game up and started imitating the flow of others did he really catch attention. From the day he stepped onto "Live at the Barbecue" Nas's name was forever on the lips of everyone. Even on mis-steps Nas has always had some of the best lyrics and deepest stuff to say.

Most people don't get "Ether" because they had to go look the word up in the first place. Now when last a rapper made you do that? Dang, people still don't see the double entendre in the title, and most can't get past a beat to really see how well crafted the lyrics were--- and how TRUE they were.

Lastly, let me say, Nasir Ben Olu Dara Jones is the ILLEST! ha!

dstbrat · #15 02-02-2002, 07:02 PM

let me say i like nas. i don't own a t-shirt or anything, but he does have a nice flow, but he is not touching jay. he is inconsistent and has never really lived up to his billing. he gets a hot record and falls off for like 5 years. all this beef with jay is just a pr ploy to create some talk about his album to boost sales, period. when you are trying to get to the top, you try to knock off the top guy and that is jay-z. people want to call him a sell-out but he is still true to hip-hop. if you want to discuss pop mtv rappers, holla at nelly. he better not do an unplugged. and really i can't see nas having enough charisma to pull off an unplugged show like jay did.