Terrorist rights???

Beef · #1 01-22-2002, 07:46 PM

I really cant believe that this is an issue, but somehow, it doesnt suprise me that it is.

Do you think that the TERRORISTS being held at Camp X-Ray in Cuba are being treated fairly ?? If you ask me, they have it pretty fucking good!! Compared to the conditions they lived in in Afghanistan, they are in the Penthouse right now! Or perhaps we should treat them like American prisoners tend to be treated when they are captured by other nations... beat them constantly and drag them through the streets!!

These are potentially some of the most dangerous people in the world, who would not think twice about killing themselves to take you or me with them. Yet, people(liberal pussies) feel the need to make sure they have every opportunity to recieve comfort and aid, make sure, they are feeling ok.... give me a break!!! I say let them sleep in a building less than 100 ft from where they are being held and then tell me that you dont want them to be contained the way they are!!

Optimist Prime · #2 01-22-2002, 07:50 PM

You're proud to be an American right Beef? Well, with out the following words, American would have never existed.

"...That all men are created equal, that they are indowed by their Creator certain inailiable rights..."

Beef · #3 01-22-2002, 07:52 PM

Im not saying they should have no rights whatsoever...
But for people to be complaining about what they THINK is happening based on a few pictures is just rediculous!

Optimist Prime · #4 01-22-2002, 08:11 PM

Thats riducluas (sp?) so is everything else in the world.

The1calledTKE · #5 01-22-2002, 08:21 PM

They probably have more rights than their women did back home.

James · #6 01-22-2002, 08:24 PM

Well, we don't know how they are really being treated and we don't know what they are capable of or what they know.

I don't much care what we do to them. We could take them out and execute them wahtever. I do care if we pervert, circumscribe, or make a mockery of our Laws to do it because the consitution and our laws are the only thing that protects us from abuses by people with power.

For whatever reason our governmental structure has evolved into organized distrust. Our Founders seems to be astute students of human nature and knew that not all people are equal in their decision making capabilities. Therefore we have a Constitution that guarentees due process. ITs our Contract.

So again, while I don't care what we do with them, I do care if we start twisting our rules, because that is a slippery slope.

matthewg · #7 01-22-2002, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by James
Well, we don't know how they are really being treated and we don't know what they are capable of or what they know.

So again, while I don't care what we do with them, I do care if we start twisting our rules, because that is a slippery slope.

well said!! I think all that matters is that people apply the rules they make to themselves AND to others. Double standards should not be accepted for the sake of credibility.

damasa · #8 01-23-2002, 12:14 AM

damn that, they shouldn't have any rights, given the circumstances and the threats they are still giving to the guards at Camp X-Ray about wanting to kill Americans, i see the situation as acceptable. Further, since they aren't classified as P.O.W.'s, they aren't granted prisoner rights under the Geneva Convention.

So, Fack 'em.

James · #9 01-23-2002, 01:43 AM

They aren't classified as POW's because we are deliberately not considering them POW's and no one is in a position to tell us what to do. Fine with me, I certainly don't need the drama of anger and self righteousnes to justify getting information from them and then executing them or whatever.

You might want to think twice about torturing and killing prisoners though. IT doesn't bode well for american soldiers and civilians in the future.

The universe has a maxim: Take what you want . . . and pay for it.

So we need to figure out exactly what we want here and how to get it and then colldly execute those objectives. Without the sugarcoating and bullshit. And then we better be willing to face trhe consequences, usually unforseen, without complaining.

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Originally posted by damasa
damn that, they shouldn't have any rights, given the circumstances and the threats they are still giving to the guards at Camp X-Ray about wanting to kill Americans, i see the situation as acceptable. Further, since they aren't classified as P.O.W.'s, they aren't granted prisoner rights under the Geneva Convention.

So, Fack 'em.

Optimist Prime · #10 01-23-2002, 01:50 AM

I thought this was a war we were fighting? We took prisoners. Therefore they are prisoners of war. This is called logic.

moe.ron · #11 01-23-2002, 05:54 AM

Fine with me, but we better stop critizing other governments also. Let's not be hypocritical.

Let stop saying we represent democracy, cause our past doesn't say so.

Let's be honest and say we want to kick ass and our foreign policy has little to do with democracy or freedom, our foreign policy is our best interest. It's called REal Politik.

My suggestion:
Get rid of the Leahey Amendment and start training the Indonesian forces to get rid of terrorist threat in Indonesia. Like what we are doing with the Phillipines. However, we got to smack Congressman Brownback of Texas and tell him to shut the freak up. Saying that the Phillipines is the next afghanistan is stupid, esp. with Arroyo gaining opposition about US involvement not only from her adversary, but also from her Vice President and her foreign minister.

damasa · #12 01-23-2002, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Optimist Prime
I thought this was a war we were fighting? We took prisoners. Therefore they are prisoners of war. This is called logic.

this isn't a philosophy course my friend. They haven't yet been classified as pow's. AND, personally, I hope they aren't, they don't deserve or need rights, IMO.

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Beef · #13 01-23-2002, 10:38 AM

TECHNICALLY, there has been no declaration of war, so there could be no prisoners of war. Technically anyways...
Most of these "poeple" arent even Afghan, they are forgein Al Qaida fighters..

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When i saw images of al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners shackled, wearing blacked-out goggles, ear muffs and surgical masks, kneeling in open-air cages, i feel very, very bad and sad.

These guys arent little angels that made a small mistake and deserve a slap on the wrist. These are the scum of the earth and are being treated much better than they truely deserve...

moe.ron · #14 01-23-2002, 10:41 AM

On a site note, I saw the funniest t-shirt ever. It has a picture of christ being escorted out of an American Airline flight. The caption said "If Jesus was alive, he would not be welcomed in American Airline."

OK people, flame me.

dzrose93 · #15 01-23-2002, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by Curiousgirl
When i saw images of al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners shackled, wearing blacked-out goggles, ear muffs and surgical masks, kneeling in open-air cages, i feel very, very bad and sad.

Yeah, well when I saw the ruins of the World Trade Center towers, the plane that went down in Pennsylvania, and the damage that was done to the Pentagon, I felt very, very bad and sad also.

These guys would slit our soldiers' throats if given the opportunity, and they would be more than happy to give away information about the base if they were to escape. So, I don't feel one bit sorry for the fact that they are being treated as dangerous prisoners. That's exactly what they are. If they didn't want to face the consequences, then they shouldn't have started the war. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. All of my sympathy has been given to the 9/11 victims, and I have none to spare on these butchers of innocents.