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Old 05-13-2013, 07:01 PM
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Kermit Gosnell guilty of murder in 3 infants’ deaths

From The Lookout, on Yahoo!:

"A jury has found abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell guilty of three counts of first-degree murder after deliberating for 10 days on the case.

"Prosecutors are expected to now seek the death penalty for Gosnell.

"The 72-year-old was charged with killing four premature babies by severing their spinal cords after they were born alive in his Philadelphia clinic. He was acquitted of one of those charges and convicted in three. Gosnell was also found guilty in the accidental death of a patient who died after receiving an abortion and a lethal mix of sedatives and painkillers at his clinic.

"Gosnell's lawyers argued during the trial that no babies were born alive in the clinic.

"A 2010 federal investigation described the West Philadelphia clinic as a filthy "house of horrors" that primarily served low-income women seeking late-term abortions. The nearly 300-page grand jury report said remains of fetuses were stored in freezers and that instruments used in abortions were contaminated with sexually transmitted diseases.

"Gosnell faced hundreds of lesser charges, including employing a minor in his clinic and violating the state's 24-hour waiting period for abortions. He was also charged with performing abortions on women who were more than 24 weeks pregnant, which is illegal in the state. Gosnell's wife, a cosmetologist who helped perform the abortions, was among four of the clinic's employees who also pleaded guilty to several charges.

"Earlier on Monday, jurors said they were deadlocked on two of the charges against Gosnell. They resumed deliberating and reached a decision early in the afternoon. CNN reported that the prosecutor in the case cried when the verdict was read Monday afternoon.

"The trial has stoked debate over late-term abortions in the country. Pro-abortion rights groups say Gosnell was an outlier breaking numerous laws and regulations, while the anti-abortion rights movement has used the case to advocate for more state-level abortion restrictions.

'“The greatest tragedy is that Kermit Gosnell is not alone. Exploitation of women and complete disregard for their health and well-being are problems endemic to the entire abortion industry,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, the president of the anti-abortion group SBA-List, in a statement.

"Ilyse Hogue, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said Gosnell will "get what he deserves" now that he's been found guilty.

'"Now, let's make sure these women are vindicated by delivering what all women deserve: Access to the full range of health services including safe, high-quality and legal abortion care,” she said in a statement.
The case revealed that abortion clinics in the state hadn't been routinely inspected in 15 years, prompting the resignation of two top health department officials.

-The Associated Press contributed to this report."
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:42 PM
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I'm generally pro choice, but I wish they could execute this SOB with scissors.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:52 PM
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I'm surprised it took them so long to deliberate on this case.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:38 PM
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I'm surprised it took them so long to deliberate on this case.
I'm willing to bet it was deciding on each count that took so long. This wasn't a normal murder trial with one death, or multiple deaths as the result of one incident. It wasn't the usual gang shooting, or a husband accused of strangling his wife. This isn't an every day kind of case.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:50 PM
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I'm generally pro choice, but I wish they could execute this SOB with scissors.
Agreed. Late-term abortions, and especially killing a LIVE baby that has already been born, are murder in my book.

I read somewhere that one of the babies was swimming in the toilet, trying to not drown and he cut the baby's neck with scissors.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:58 PM
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I'm willing to bet it was deciding on each count that took so long. This wasn't a normal murder trial with one death, or multiple deaths as the result of one incident. It wasn't the usual gang shooting, or a husband accused of strangling his wife. This isn't an every day kind of case.
Oh, I know...I still am surprised it took 10 days.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:36 AM
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This was a highly watched trial in Philadelphia. The defense presented a very short case - I think only a day of testimony. Gosnell's sentencing will be next week. Everyone is curious if he will take the stand, he seems to have very little remorse for what he did. Even when the ruling came down yesterday - he showed very little emotion. Not even stunned. The man is not human. He is a monster.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:55 AM
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There is something I don't understand and I swear to God I am not trying to be lippy but why do some people think it would have been ok for these babies to be killed inside of their mommas at that point but it wasn't ok to kill them once they came out of the abortion alive and breathing? I'm not talking about people here saying that but I really don't know anyone personally thinks that but keep reading that some people do think that way.


The stories about what he did to those poor babies made me want to throw up.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:02 PM
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I think it's important to realize that these horrific crimes didn't occur because abortion (in general) is legal in this country, but in spite of it.

As long as there are state and local bans, restrictions, poor sexual education, and other hurdles for women and girls to deal with in the process of making reproductive decisions, women and girls will continue to visit illegal, unsanitary, unsafe practitioners and facilities.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:03 PM
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There is something I don't understand and I swear to God I am not trying to be lippy but why do some people think it would have been ok for these babies to be killed inside of their mommas at that point but it wasn't ok to kill them once they came out of the abortion alive and breathing? I'm not talking about people here saying that but I really don't know anyone personally thinks that but keep reading that some people do think that way.


The stories about what he did to those poor babies made me want to throw up.
I suppose they have different personal beliefs as to when life begins, that's all.
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:02 PM
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I think it's important to realize that these horrific crimes didn't occur because abortion (in general) is legal in this country, but in spite of it.

As long as there are state and local bans, restrictions, poor sexual education, and other hurdles for women and girls to deal with in the process of making reproductive decisions, women and girls will continue to visit illegal, unsanitary, unsafe practitioners and facilities.
Outlawing abortion didn't eliminate people like Gosnell. When abortion was illegal, there were many more people like this and they did many more horrific things. The more restrictive abortion laws get, the more desperate women get and the more likely horrors like this are to occur.
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Outlawing abortion didn't eliminate people like Gosnell. When abortion was illegal, there were many more people like this and they did many more horrific things. The more restrictive abortion laws get, the more desperate women get and the more likely horrors like this are to occur.
I think we're saying the same thing.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:40 PM
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I think it's important to realize that these horrific crimes didn't occur because abortion (in general) is legal in this country, but in spite of it.

As long as there are state and local bans, restrictions, poor sexual education, and other hurdles for women and girls to deal with in the process of making reproductive decisions, women and girls will continue to visit illegal, unsanitary, unsafe practitioners and facilities.
Well said.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:49 PM
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I think we're saying the same thing.

Agreed.

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