Tell Me Please!!!

TemptingNugget · #1 03-28-2001, 01:35 AM

So, I was talking to a few friends, about Gays in Fraternities and Lesbians in Sororities, and I got quite a broad spectrum of answers. And i just wanna know what everybody thinks about it....
soooo, LOL, what does everyone think about the GLBT community being part of our Greek community???

come on, don't be shy... LOL.... we won't all point and laugh. i *promise*

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#2 03-28-2001, 02:35 AM

First of all, I saw this same topic in the Chit Chat forum listed under "TOUCHY SUBJECT", and honestly, I don't see why it's a "touchy subject".

I don't understand what the big deal is. If a woman is willing to live up to the ideals and purposes of my sorority (or other GLOs for that matter), then what does her sexual orientation have to do with it? My sorority prides itself on diversity, and we accept women who desire to live up to the standards set forth in our purpose.

Personally I have no problems with GLB (transsexuals MAY be a problem however, but that's for another topic) individuals in the Greek community. It's a shame that in a society where people generally get away with many things, those who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transsexuals are still the center of ridicule (*see "come on, don't be shy... LOL.... we won't all point and laugh. i *promise*" in the initial post).

prdlocal · #3 03-28-2001, 03:25 AM

Sorry Nugget, but Teeny!!! Since when are you a moderator??? Congradulations girlfriend!

--Amanda

amycat412 · #4 03-28-2001, 03:43 AM

Yes COngrats OTW!!! Awesome!

On the subject at hand--sexual orientation has nothing to do with the purposes of the GLO's. People are people, who cares who they're attracted to.

#5 03-28-2001, 03:51 AM

LOL..you guys are too nice. That's why I come on GreekChat all the time.

Anyways, the ever so wonderful Mr. John Hammel made me moderator of the AGD forum yesterday I think (?). It's been generating some traffic recently, but I'm still trying to get more of my sisters to stop by! It's one less forum that he needs to take care of just in case something happens, ya know?

But anyways...back to the topic!

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amycat412 · #6 03-28-2001, 03:56 AM

and I love it that you're always on at night like me, when the majority of the midwest and east coast greekchatters are asleep,

Signing off from California-
Amy

ha ha

TemptingNugget · #7 03-28-2001, 04:17 AM

WOW!!! it's me again, the oringinal poster *waves* and i dont know why i feel i have to defend myself and bare it all, but i do.

ok. i posted the original message, because i was honestly concerned that the GLB community was being 'closeted' in our Fraternities and Sororities, and looked upon as something thats 'okay' but 'please, by all means, dont tell anyone else' and 'for the love of God, stay away from me!' ... and that, my friend, is just wrong if you ask me.

contrary to what you seem to believe, i have NO problem what-so-ever with the GLB OR T community. i, in fact, feel that i really connect with the GLBT community, being that i am one of those fancy GLBT letters. :-)
yup, thats right, i'm either a lesbian, or bisexual. i'm not telling which though. i like having that air of mystery about me. LOL!

the reason i said 'dont be shy, we wont point and laugh' and such, is this WACKY little thing we crazy kids like to call Sarcasm. ::::giggle:::: not funny?

another reason is, i know that a lot of people here notice what their friends say about certain subjects, and someone saying that its "okay" or even "not okay" to be in a Greek Org. and be gay might not go over well with all there friends. what i was saying is 'please be open about this. im seriously interested in what EVERYBODY has to say. supportive or unsupportive (allthough the supportive responses make me feel better inside, so i prefer them).' i want to know how everybody feels about this, all different Greeks, b/c i am still closeted in my Sorority, due to the fact that i hear MANY jokes from my girls bashing 'people like me'... and let me tell you, that sucks.

one of the best things about being in a sorority is that UNCONDITIONAL love, and i'm just REALLY afraid that i wouldnt get that if i came out to them. but then again, being that i'm basically living a lie, it's not 'unconditional' love anyways. but i digress....

point is, i WASNT gay bashing in my original post. i just know that a lot of brothers and sisters stay tightly shut in their 'closet' for fear of what everyone else may say or think. People in general have a tendancy to treat you different when you're gay (im only still in the closet in my sorority, so i know)... and being treated like an outsider isn't fair. im NO LESS of a person because i choose to love differently from the majority of society.

and i'm a feminist too. ;-) hows THAT for radical?!

rockin' on with my bad womyn lovin' self,

kate.

ps. teeny, in regards to the chit chat post, we dont really have to make out.... sarcasm again? LOL.... truce girly girl?????

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#8 03-28-2001, 04:33 AM

Kate,

Thank you for clarifying things in your last post. I don't know why, but your first post gave me the impression that you weren't really serious about the topic. I apologize for that.

I commend you on enduring what you've gone through so far. As a fellow Greek I'm saddened to hear about your sisters poking fun at the gay community. On the other hand, do you think that coming out of the closet would make them more sensitive and accepting of the issue?

There's always talk about "unconditional love", but at times I've even felt like there was a limit to that with my sorority sisters. Still, despite our differences sometimes I love my sisters and I'd do anything for them!

I wish you the best of luck in your situation. No one deserves to feel the way you do, and I hope that things work out for you.

As for my chit-chat post, I apologize for the sarcasm and I'll delete that post now.

Fraternally,
Sandy

TemptingNugget · #9 03-28-2001, 04:50 AM

OH NO sandy... dont delete the sarcastic comments from chit chat... sarcasm is what made are battle fun, ya know? *S*

and as for me coming out to them, and having them magically go from close minded to supportive and sweet and all hugging me and even buying me a 'congratulations. youre a dyke now' cake.... LOL.... well, that would be fun, but, we're talking REALITY here. it would be more like 'ok, but im not sharing a room with her next year. ewwwwwww, in fact, i dont think she should be able to live in the house anymore. what if she wanted to bring someone back here? omg eww eww ewww ewww'

then again, when my roommate brings a boy back to the room, i think 'ewww eww ewww ewww' too. i dont know if thats so much about gender and preferences as the though of whats going down (no pun intended) in youre sacred little bedroom. LOL.

and as for my post and now sounding serious, i was trying to sound like i didnt have an opinion on the subject at all. but i suppose i came off as a homophobic misogynist idiot. thats what happens when you stradle the fence. *W*

you still didnt answer me on if you wanted to make out or not though? LOL.... come on.... admit it... the sarcasm is the best part. ::::giggle::::

car tires and chicken wire,
kate

dc1 · #10 03-28-2001, 09:44 AM

A great resource regarding this topic:
www.lambda10.org

Provides info for both GLB greeks as well as heterosexual greeks. Check it out..

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UNFSigmaChi · #11 03-28-2001, 03:29 PM

I don't believe GB's have a place in Sigma Chi. I can only speak for my own fraternity and i know it goes totally against what sigma chi is about and our ideals. I've been to our leadership training workshop a couple of times and i've met a couple sigs who were obviously gay and showed their affections towards one another and i thought it was pretty disgusting and disrespectful to the Fraternity. When they asked our class what we thought about it i said i don't respect your lifestyle choice and don't feel you deserve to be a sig, but you are a brother and you should be treated as such. If i ever had a pledge at my chapter who was gay i would get rid of them as soon as i could cause there was no way i could call them my brother. When ever i hear of a gay sig i can just see our founders rolling in their graves. What are some other sigma chi opinions on this? Remeber i don't speak for all GLO's on this, but just my own Fraternity.

lifesaver · #12 03-28-2001, 03:39 PM

Why is it I have the feeling that this thread is about to warm up?

LexiKD · #13 03-28-2001, 04:10 PM

Well, since we are being honest...
I have mixed feelings.
I would love to say with confidence that it wouldn't matter if, when I was in college, one of my sisters told me she was playing on the other team. BUT I think it would be a problem, not beacuse I think I'm so hot that she would hit on me, but what would the reaction be on campus? Would your chapter embrace the publicity? Would everyone feel comfortable sharing a multi person room in the house with her?
I think it would cause a rift in the sisterhood beacuse it is a sensitive subject, for some, not everyone, but when can you EVER get a group of 65+ girls to agree 100% about anything?I'm not saying we wouldn't take a Potential New Member because of it, but I am trying to convey some concerns.
It would take some soul searching down here in NC, just my opinon...
I feel like on one hand you would love her because she is your sister, but on the other, you may be uncomfy with the situation.
I'm not saying it's the right thing, I just wanted to get my 2cents in.
BUT you never know who likes what until they tell you, who's to say it hasn't already happend and I loved her the same, but never knew...I think I like that idea better.

As for UNFsigmachi, I think you have a valid point, none of our founders would have imagined this type of situation, but I think it would boil down to what you were founded on and how you MUST move with the times to survive.

[This message has been edited by ecukd (edited March 28, 2001).]

dzsweetiee · #14 03-28-2001, 04:16 PM

I agree totally UNFsigmachi! In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if this thread is just some scam to show how greeks are so "closed minded".......

#15 03-28-2001, 04:28 PM

Initially, I thought that too. But pay attention to nugget's second post. She presents a valid problem she's going through with her sorority. I don't think it was her intent to present Greeks as closed minded, she just wanted everyone's opinions about it.

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