Non-social greeks on your greek council.

naraht · #1 04-12-2010, 11:25 AM

There are some campuses where the school requires that the greek council covers all of the organizations that run pledge programs including service GLOs (like Alpha Phi Omega) and professional/music/band GLO (like Kappa Kappa Psi). This means that it is quite possible for someone to belong to more than one group on the council.

I'm interested in comments from those in social GLOs who have dealt with that and the effects (good and bad).

I'm in Alpha Phi Omega and national policy is that APO should only join greek councils if the school doesn't give us a choice. (well rather that the National Board has to approve joining and group consisting entirely of social fraternities and functionally, they only do so if the school requires it)

DrPhil · #2 04-12-2010, 11:57 AM

Social or service, I don't think anyone should be a member of more than one org included under "Greek Life."

I feel the same about the NPHC.

Fatal1913 · #3 04-12-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Social or service, I don't think anyone should be a member of more than one org included under "Greek Life."

I feel the same about the NPHC.

Agreed. The only time "greek letters" should be excluded under "greek life" is for honor societies

Kevin · #4 04-12-2010, 05:20 PM

Social is one category, service is another. There's no point to having them grouped together because they have totally different aims.

Senusret I · #5 04-12-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

I'm interested in comments from those in social GLOs who have dealt with that and the effects (good and bad).

AndrewPiChi · #6 04-12-2010, 08:44 PM

It adds diversity to the campus, and I believe it would improve the whole greek community on the campus as a whole.

The organization formerly known as Alpha Phi Omega on my campus would participate in almost all aspects of greek life at the university. It would change from time to time depending on the greek life director at the time, as policy would change.

Early campus news articles would show Alpha Phi Omega on greek life flyers, it maintained a wing on campus for a long time, participated in the greek intramural sports brackets and did the annual greek carnival. The university even tried repeatedly to force Alpha Phi Omega to join the IFC. It actually would discriminate against other men in other fraternities for potential membership as well, usually not allowing them to receive a bid.

It even held social events with the other greek organizations. It acted just like any social organization on the campus, and it was one of its long time strengths.

naraht · #7 04-12-2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewPiChi

It adds diversity to the campus, and I believe it would improve the whole greek community on the campus as a whole.

The organization formerly known as Alpha Phi Omega on my campus would participate in almost all aspects of greek life at the university. It would change from time to time depending on the greek life director at the time, as policy would change.

Early campus news articles would show Alpha Phi Omega on greek life flyers, it maintained a wing on campus for a long time, participated in the greek intramural sports brackets and did the annual greek carnival. The university even tried repeatedly to force Alpha Phi Omega to join the IFC. It actually would discriminate against other men in other fraternities for potential membership as well, usually not allowing them to receive a bid.

It even held social events with the other greek organizations. It acted just like any social organization on the campus, and it was one of its long time strengths.

I'll will *try* to make this response non-snarky...

1) From what you've said, it appears that the university would have actively opposed any decision of the chapter to admit women.

2) The situation at Duquesne and Pi Chi is a valid piece of data to be considered for both any effort through an amendment to remove the limitation on council membership as well as requests for specific exemptions.

3) The discrimination against those in social fraternities for membership both confuses and saddens me.

4) I don't believe that anything that I say on this topic will affect the *current* situation at Duquesne University.

33girl · #8 04-12-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

3) The discrimination against those in social fraternities for membership both confuses and saddens me.

Actually, not confusing. If the APO chapter is operating in the same way as any other all-male social fraternity, which it WAS, of course they're not going to give bids to men who are in groups that they consider the same category - to their minds, it would be like being in Sigma Chi and TKE at the same time.

The university was dumb to try to get them to join IFC, but if they were under the impression that this was how APO generally operates, again, it made sense.

Not, of course, that I approve of any of this.

Fatal1913 · #9 04-13-2010, 10:07 AM

^ I agree. I even think about KKPsi.. they are supposed to be a band organization.. but they operate like any other greek org... why admit them in another org if they are already doing what one does...

AndrewPiChi · #10 04-13-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

1) From what you've said, it appears that the university would have actively opposed any decision of the chapter to admit women.

2) The situation at Duquesne and Pi Chi is a valid piece of data to be considered for both any effort through an amendment to remove the limitation on council membership as well as requests for specific exemptions.

3) The discrimination against those in social fraternities for membership both confuses and saddens me.

4) I don't believe that anything that I say on this topic will affect the *current* situation at Duquesne University.

1. it was more the decision of the alumni and active brothers less the university. Brothers wanted to uphold the history that they have stood for, for so very long. The university supported the decision. But we all know that story

3. Its not to hard to figure that out. Alpha Phi Omega was so active that is was physically impossible to do both. groups would compete, it is just how the university functioned. There are cases like this at Nu Mu and Psi Delta as well several of the HBCU's in terms of the AMC.

4. Already done deal.

naraht · #11 04-13-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewPiChi

1. it was more the decision of the alumni and active brothers less the university. Brothers wanted to uphold the history that they have stood for, for so very long. The university supported the decision. But we all know that story

3. Its not to hard to figure that out. Alpha Phi Omega was so active that is was physically impossible to do both. groups would compete, it is just how the university functioned. There are cases like this at Nu Mu and Psi Delta as well several of the HBCU's in terms of the AMC.

4. Already done deal.

1. Agreed that it was a alumni and active brother decision. But, had the chapter decided to go the other way, I expect some of the staff at greek affairs would be been *disappointed*.

3. I would expect that there were brothers who were on sports teams, which would have taken as much time as being a brother of a social fraternity.

pshsx1 · #12 04-13-2010, 08:27 PM

We have a Theta Tau chapter on my campus. They're a professional fraternity but they are governed by the IFC and function as a social org.

One of my alumni from 1991 was in SigEp and Theta Tau as an undergrad, but now, it's kind of frowned upon because it'd just be like us pledging Sigma Pi or any other Greek org on campus.

Having Theta Tau doesn't really have any effect on the IFC climate... it's just another org that we can have to interact with and do Greek stuff with, I guess.