Restrictions on wearing letters

[AnotherKD]

Hi all,

I was speaking with my younger sister this past weekend and she brought up a situation that kind of puzzled me. Most, if not all, sororities and fraternities tend to have rules (spoken or unspoken) about not wearing your letters while doing certain things. Some say that letters shouldn't be worn out to a bar, while others forbid smoking while wearing letters. There are all sorts of rules, different for each group.

However, she told me about this situation: she is in a sorority in which two of the sisters will sometimes wear their letters in one way or another to political rallies and/or handing out literature on the street. Basically, they will wear shirts with the sorority's name on it from an event, or they will carry a bag with their letters on it, etc. Most of the members in the sorority agree with the causes that the two wearing letters support, and so they don't see any problem with it. There are no formal rules regarding this. However, my sister is one girl that feels differently and would rather her sorority's name not be affiliated with politics and causes that she doesn't really believe in. She would rather the letters not be involved at all.

She is getting a bit of resistance from the rest of the chapter, who agree with the two letter-wearers. What do you guys think? I'm not exactly sure what to tell her.

Thanks!!

[tld221]

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

Hi all,

I was speaking with my younger sister this past weekend and she brought up a situation that kind of puzzled me. Most, if not all, sororities and fraternities tend to have rules (spoken or unspoken) about not wearing your letters while doing certain things. Some say that letters shouldn't be worn out to a bar, while others forbid smoking while wearing letters. There are all sorts of rules, different for each group.

However, she told me about this situation: she is in a sorority in which two of the sisters will sometimes wear their letters in one way or another to political rallies and/or handing out literature on the street. Basically, they will wear shirts with the sorority's name on it from an event, or they will carry a bag with their letters on it, etc. Most of the members in the sorority agree with the causes that the two wearing letters support, and so they don't see any problem with it. There are no formal rules regarding this. However, my sister is one girl that feels differently and would rather her sorority's name not be affiliated with politics and causes that she doesn't really believe in. She would rather the letters not be involved at all.

She is getting a bit of resistance from the rest of the chapter, who agree with the two letter-wearers. What do you guys think? I'm not exactly sure what to tell her.

Thanks!!

I remember this coming up a lot around the 2008 election, a lot of people on FB having to specify that their letters and greek affiliation had no bearing on their political beliefs.

I think this has been discussed before on GC - while i think its great to show that, as a member of the greek community, you are politically engaged (and going to forums and voting could be an example of that) but its the how. Wearing a discreet pin, taking notes with a lettered notepad or pen, or even a tote is one thing.

However, if you're in a huge block-letter tee (or a line jacket, or something of that vein) holding a sign at a rally or protest, its a little more visible and vocal. Even without opening your mouth you're representing your organization, whether positive or negative, in a way you weren't necessarily given permission.

This is very similar to many companies' (and universities even) stance on wearing branded apparel at such events. Americorps has rules around this (speaking from experience) as well, since I'm representing a governmental entity on work hours.

[DrPhil]

I see nothing wrong with wearing your letters or symbols to a "Race for the Cure" but I don't see the point in wearing them to voice support or do service for a politician. But, I hate politics and politicians so keep in mind how that is an additional context for my stance.

One thing that I absolutely hated were the "XYZ for Obama" shirts. The shirts annoyed me on so many levels and some organizations made public statements against anything that created the appearance that "XYZ supports a candidate." Wear a shirt that's in the colors of your GLO if you want to. Don't put your GLO's letters, symbols, or any identifying markers on the shirt.

As for the other stuff organizations frown upon their members doing in letters, it does differ for every organization. Moreover, members need to know the difference between personal opinion, chapter traditions, and what their national body actually mandates/protocol and traditions. For instance, some chapters don't wear lettered jackets wrapped around their waists. That's cool, just don't don't try to control what members from other chapters do, even if they are visiting your campus.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Moreover, members need to know the difference between personal opinion, chapter traditions, and what their national body actually mandates/protocol and traditions. For instance, some chapters don't wear lettered jackets wrapped around their waists. That's cool, just don't don't try to control what members from other chapters do, even if they are visiting your campus.

Double triple quadruple freakin' AMEN. (You should have seen my alma mater during the "grunge" era - the jackets around the waists thing was out of control. I thought it was lame, not out of letter disrespect but because it reminded me of doing that with my jacket when I was 10. )

As far as the political question...sometimes that jacket with the letters on is the only weather-appropriate thing you have at college. That's one thing. But you don't need to also wear the letter sweatshirt, the colors, the bag with it, or say when handing out fliers "I'm a member of ASA and we just think Lyndon LaRouche is yummy!"

You also need to look at it in a purely practical fashion and realize that you may be driving away rushees who don't agree with your political ideals. It can also make those in the chapter who don't agree (and who aren't as gutsy as the OP's sister - good for her by the way) fearful of speaking up. This is why I'm also not exactly high on the concept of prayer groups or bible studies sponsored by a particular chapter.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Double triple quadruple freakin' AMEN. (You should have seen my alma mater during the "grunge" era - the jackets around the waists thing was out of control. I thought it was lame, not out of letter disrespect but because it reminded me of doing that with my jacket when I was 10. )

Grunge is grungy enough without jackets around your waist. Although, when it gets too warm to have your jacket on, around the waist is more convenient than carrying it.

Originally Posted by 33girl

As far as the political question...sometimes that jacket with the letters on is the only weather-appropriate thing you have at college. That's one thing. But you don't need to also wear the letter sweatshirt, the colors, the bag with it, or say when handing out fliers "I'm a member of ASA and we just think Lyndon LaRouche is yummy!"

LOL. LOL.

Wearing letters when you hand out fliers could be interpreted the same way.

[AnotherKD]

^^ I'm proud of her for speaking up, too. Unfortunately, it didn't make a difference, and it (of course) started a mild fight within the group. I wish there was something else I could tell her to do, but since the overwhelming majority of the group likes the fact that the sorority is represented in this way, I'm just kind of shrugging my shoulders on this one. And it's too bad.

[33girl]

She could always do something morally repugnant to prove a point (like wearing her letters to a White Power rally) but the downside of that is, umm, attending a White Power rally.

[Gusteau]

If I were in her shoes (and thank God my chapter brothers aren't so dense) I would bring up the issue at a meeting. Since the majority of the chapter seems to be against her, I would make in into an "okay, prove me wrong" scenario, and get a chapter advisor, Greek life advisor, or regional director to talk some sense into them. People love to prove that they're right, so they'll take the bait. This way you can get an outside perspecitve into the situation without becoming a tattletale.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

If I were in her shoes (and thank God my chapter brothers aren't so dense) I would bring up the issue at a meeting. Since the majority of the chapter seems to be against her, I would make in into an "okay, prove me wrong" scenario, and get a chapter advisor, Greek life advisor, or regional director to talk some sense into them. People love to prove that they're right, so they'll take the bait. This way you can get an outside perspective into the situation without becoming a tattletale.

Agreed. This goes above and beyond what the chapter feels is right. This is about the members of the sorority protecting its tax-exempt status.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

This is about the members of the sorority protecting its tax-exempt status.

I really need members of non-profit organizations/tax-exempt organizations to understand this.

[LucyKKG]

I think we discussed this on GC last year because I had a similar issue with my chapter. There are often protests at my alma mater (for immigrants' rights, budget cuts, workers' rights, etc.) and I felt that this wasn't an appropriate place to wear letters. Students have been arrested at protests before (none of my sisters, to my knowledge). I can totally see why your sister was concerned. Stuff happens, man!

[ScarletBlueGold]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

One thing that I absolutely hated were the "XYZ for Obama" shirts. The shirts annoyed me on so many levels and some organizations made public statements against anything that created the appearance that "XYZ supports a candidate." Wear a shirt that's in the colors of your GLO if you want to. Don't put your GLO's letters, symbols, or any identifying markers on the shirt.

Amen

[rant/]Actually one of my biggest pet peeves are the "XYZ <3s ZYX" shirts or signs. Most of the time it's not a big deal, but some people actually take that shit seriously and start feeling entitled to friendships/dating opportunities in the other organization. I hear people say it all the time, "Oh XYZ? Yeah, they love us. If you join they will love you too."[/rant]

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ScarletBlueGold

Amen

[rant/]Actually one of my biggest pet peeves are the "XYZ <3s ZYX" shirts or signs. Most of the time it's not a big deal, but some people actually take that shit seriously and start feeling entitled to friendships/dating opportunities in the other organization. I hear people say it all the time, "Oh XYZ? Yeah, they love us. If you join they will love you too."[/rant]

Aren't those usually tied in with a Homecoming or Greek Week pairing?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Aren't those usually tied in with a Homecoming or Greek Week pairing?

Not for the NPHC. They are people wearing shirts reflecting constitutional bonds, unconstitutional bonds, and/or romantic relationships with other NPHCers.

How I feel about that depends on the context. NPHCers generally know the protocol and traditions.

[Alumiyum]

I think it would be appropriate for her to bring this up to her chapter council and look in to making a rule that DOES apply to this sort of situation. I can sympathize with her because I have sisters who support both extreme conservative and liberal causes and I hate extremities, period. I HAVE asked sisters to avoid wearing their letters to meetings/rallies supporting their causes of choice. Her chapter should already have a code of standards that specifies when to not wear letters (most commonly when drinking/smoking) and it would not be hard to add political rallies to the list. Good places to wear letters: volunteering in the community, class, religious organizations, etc. Bad places: Drunk fests, any place where there is illegal activity, political rallies.