Rapper Jay Z says "No more white lies, my president is black!"

PhiGam · #1 01-22-2009, 12:04 AM

It was said on stage at a major Obama inauguration post-party in the DC area. Just saw it on O'Reilly, no articles anywhere yet.

Sucks, I liked him until I saw this. A sad flare up of blatant prejudice.

DaemonSeid · #2 01-22-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

It was said on stage at a major Obama inauguration post-party in the DC area. Just saw it on O'Reilly, no articles anywhere yet.

Sucks, I liked him until I saw this. A sad flare up of blatant prejudice.

Ummm he is black...what is the problem? And you saw it on O reilly?

Yeah....speaks volumes...

Why would you look for an article? It's not that newsworthy.

DrPhil · #3 01-22-2009, 12:06 AM

Eh.....

Is this a random thought or a topic worthy of a discussion?

PhiGam · #4 01-22-2009, 12:10 AM

It bothers me that he said it on many levels, but especially the WAY that he said it. I was wondering if this bothered anybody else. Seeing it on O Reilly is irrelevant, I was upset by the video and that segment hasn't even come on yet.

DaemonSeid · #5 01-22-2009, 12:12 AM

you need to explain why this bothers you.

Actually...on second thought, don't.

and u aren't looking enough if you can't 'find' anything on it...I did with one click.

DrPhil · #6 01-22-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

It bothers me that he said it on many levels, but especially the WAY that he said it. I was wondering if this bothered anybody else. Seeing it on O Reilly is irrelevant, I was upset by the video and that segment hasn't even come on yet.

It was dumb.

What now?

DaemonSeid · #7 01-22-2009, 12:25 AM

phigam

before u speak, let me throw you a clue.

If what you are saying that Jay Z did and what hip hop artists including Young Jeezy, Nas and a few others this past year are any indication, the hip hop culture may be about to experience a cultural re awakening and reclaiming it's voice of the people...especially in the places where it was born.

Obama can relate to the people and for many has energized the young to aspire for more because of his example.

Since you have been a bit 'slow' to find anything, let me leave you with something to chew on:

President Barack Obama will have his hands full dealing with the economic downturn, the Gaza Strip conflict, terrorist threats in Afghanistan and any number of relentlessly pressing matters.

But maybe he could spare a little time to help out hip-hop, too?

After all, Obama is not just the first African-American president. He is the first hip-hop president - the first one with Jay-Z and Kanye West on his iPod, the first one who speaks the culture’s language, the first one who embraces its mannerisms, from fist-bumping with his wife to throwing his hands in the air and waving like he just don’t care to Beyonce’s "Crazy in Love."

Though he admits he’s older than hip-hop culture, he clearly understands it. "What I’ve appreciated seeing in this hip-hop generation is how entrepreneurial they’ve been," Obama has said. "What I’m starting to see is (for rappers) to stretch out more to think about social responsibility and how they could impact the culture in a positive way and I hope that continues."

Will that hope be enough to persuade many rappers and their fans to look at the genre in a different way? Is that the change hip-hoppers can believe in?

Because the genre certainly needs some change. While sales of rock music dropped only 6.5 percent last year, hip-hop sales dropped nearly 20 percent, according to The Nielsen Company - part of an alarming trend for hip-hop.

In 2003, hip-hop was the third-most-popular type of music. By 2008, it had dropped to sixth, behind country and metal, only slightly ahead of gospel music. Over the past five years, hip-hop sales have fallen 57 percent, according to Nielsen.

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/artic...H0502/90120167

PhiGam · #8 01-22-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

you need to explain why this bothers you.

Actually...on second thought, don't.

and u aren't looking enough if you can't 'find' anything on it...I did with one click.

One on level it bothers me because I personally would never associate an entire race of people with something negative. I think we can all agree that doing so is racist.
On another level it bothers me because I never like when celebrities use their status to get involved with politics. Especially when they say things that are (as Dr. Phil already said) dumb.

DrPhil · #9 01-22-2009, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

phigam

before u speak, let me throw you a clue.

You certainly have some nerve.

PhiGam · #10 01-22-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

phigam

before u speak, let me throw you a clue.

If what you are saying that Jay Z did and what hip hop artists including Young Jeezy, Nas and a few others this past year are any indication, the hip hop culture may be about to experience a cultural re awakening and reclaiming it's voice of the people...especially in the places where it was born.

Obama can relate to the people and for many has energized the young to aspire for more because of his example.

Since you have been a bit 'slow' to find anything, let me leave you with something to chew on:

President Barack Obama will have his hands full dealing with the economic downturn, the Gaza Strip conflict, terrorist threats in Afghanistan and any number of relentlessly pressing matters.

But maybe he could spare a little time to help out hip-hop, too?

After all, Obama is not just the first African-American president. He is the first hip-hop president - the first one with Jay-Z and Kanye West on his iPod, the first one who speaks the culture’s language, the first one who embraces its mannerisms, from fist-bumping with his wife to throwing his hands in the air and waving like he just don’t care to Beyonce’s "Crazy in Love."

Though he admits he’s older than hip-hop culture, he clearly understands it. "What I’ve appreciated seeing in this hip-hop generation is how entrepreneurial they’ve been," Obama has said. "What I’m starting to see is (for rappers) to stretch out more to think about social responsibility and how they could impact the culture in a positive way and I hope that continues."

Will that hope be enough to persuade many rappers and their fans to look at the genre in a different way? Is that the change hip-hoppers can believe in?

Because the genre certainly needs some change. While sales of rock music dropped only 6.5 percent last year, hip-hop sales dropped nearly 20 percent, according to The Nielsen Company - part of an alarming trend for hip-hop.

In 2003, hip-hop was the third-most-popular type of music. By 2008, it had dropped to sixth, behind country and metal, only slightly ahead of gospel music. Over the past five years, hip-hop sales have fallen 57 percent, according to Nielsen.

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/artic...H0502/90120167

That article didn't really speak to the racist remarks- it simply is predicting the rebirth of hip hop. I hope that he does spark a re-birth of hip hop but I hope that the results of this rebirth won't contain these kind of lyrics. If Jay-Z were to write a song about his happiness on election day (or something along those lines" then that would be a different story.
Admittedly, the more I think about it the more I realize that I was probably wrong to be angry about Jay Z speaking out as it was clearly at a political event.
That being said, I still find the content of the speech to be racist and offensive.

PM_Mama00 · #11 01-22-2009, 12:34 AM

The last time I heard of a politician being "hip-hop" was Kwame Kilpatrick. And we all know how that ended.

I'll respect hip-hop when they stop singing about their lollipops and smacking a bitches ass. There was once a time when I actually was really into rap, but with this crap out there now I just can't respect it. And as much as I hate Kanye West, I do like his new stuff... but I can't and will never respect him.

As for Jay Z's comment, it should NOT matter what color the president is, or if it were Hilary's case, what gender. I think that's where the anger comes from.

And he's really not the first African American President. Last time I checked his mom was white.

DaemonSeid · #12 01-22-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

One on level it bothers me because I personally would never associate an entire race of people with something negative. I think we can all agree that doing so is racist.
On another level it bothers me because I never like when celebrities use their status to get involved with politics. Especially when they say things that are (as Dr. Phil already said) dumb.

Celebs have done it for years...where have you been?

And what was negative about what he said?

No more negative that all the slurs that the extreme right hype machine has pushed all last year to scare people into not voting for him.

Hmmm...

He's Muslim
He's Anti America
He a "Magic Negro"
He looks like Curious George....

and some of this bullshit has been perped by celebs who used their status to push their message.

You see where this is going?

Obviously you haven't listened to enough hip hop, rap and R and B, shit for that matter MUSIC, to know that many times artists have used the platform to talk about the government, if you are making statements like that.

Try some John Lennon or Marvin Gaye.

If you want something a little more current, try Public Enemy.

More current than that try Nas.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhiGam

That article didn't really speak to the racist remarks- it simply is predicting the rebirth of hip hop. I hope that he does spark a re-birth of hip hop but I hope that the results of this rebirth won't contain these kind of lyrics. If Jay-Z were to write a song about his happiness on election day (or something along those lines" then that would be a different story.
Admittedly, the more I think about it the more I realize that I was probably wrong to be angry about Jay Z speaking out as it was clearly at a political event.
That being said, I still find the content of the speech to be racist and offensive.

Maybe because it wasn't racist?

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

The last time I heard of a politician being "hip-hop" was Kwame Kilpatrick. And we all know how that ended.

I'll respect hip-hop when they stop singing about their lollipops and smacking a bitches ass. There was once a time when I actually was really into rap, but with this crap out there now I just can't respect it. And as much as I hate Kanye West, I do like his new stuff... but I can't and will never respect him.

As for Jay Z's comment, it should NOT matter what color the president is, or if it were Hilary's case, what gender. I think that's where the anger comes from.

And he's really not the first African American President. Last time I checked his mom was white.

So what is he then?