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Old 05-28-2008, 01:44 PM
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Finally, MSNBC getting called out by the MSM

MSNBC, Leaning Left And Getting Flak From Both Sides

MSNBC, which bills itself as "the place for politics," is being pummeled by political practitioners.

"It's an organ of the Democratic National Committee," says Steve Schmidt, a senior strategist for John McCain's campaign. "It's a partisan advocacy organization that exists for the purpose of attacking John McCain."

Ed Gillespie, President Bush's counselor, says there is an "increasing blurring" of the line between NBC News and MSNBC's "blatantly partisan talk show hosts like Christopher Matthews and Keith Olbermann."

Terry McAuliffe, chairman of Hillary Clinton's campaign, says Matthews has been "in the tank" for Barack Obama "from Day One" and is practically "the Obama campaign chair."

Why are operatives from across the political spectrum suddenly beating up on the third-place cable channel? Phil Griffin, the NBC senior vice president who runs MSNBC, dismisses the criticism, calling Schmidt's broadsides "pretty outrageous accusations."

"To call us an arm of the DNC is a joke," he says. "We have people with multiple points of view. Everyone is getting a little thin-skinned. We argue and debate every topic."

The focus of the attacks is MSNBC's evening lineup, where the channel has clearly gravitated to the left in recent years and often seems to regard itself as the antithesis of Fox News. Schmidt, for instance, says he regards MSNBC's daytime reporting as fair, but that it would be "delusional" to view its nighttime operation as anything other than a "partisan entity."

NBC and its cable outlet have become more integrated since MSNBC moved to the 30 Rockefeller Plaza headquarters in New York last fall, a trend accelerated by the sharing of journalistic talent during the campaign. Some top NBC journalists say privately they are troubled by the overlapping identities.

Matthews, the voluble "Hardball" host, appears frequently on NBC's "Today," and Tim Russert, NBC's Washington bureau chief and "Meet the Press" moderator, is an increasingly visible presence on MSNBC. Andrea Mitchell and David Gregory, both well-regarded NBC correspondents, now anchor hour-long programs on the cable outlet. Gregory replaced Tucker Carlson, leaving former GOP congressman Joe Scarborough as the channel's only conservative host.

NBC News President Steve Capus says the distinctions between reporting and opinion are clear. "We happen to have programs that at times are driven by opinion on MSNBC, and we have a worldwide news organization driven by NBC News," he says. "The only people trying to lump it all together are people who tend to view these things through a political filter or are our competitors."

But news and opinion often seem to merge on primary nights. MSNBC's coverage is anchored by Matthews, a onetime Democratic operative, and Olbermann, the "Countdown" host who recently finished one anti-Bush commentary by instructing the president to "shut the hell up."

On election nights, Griffin says, Matthews and Olbermann "put on different hats. I think the audience gets it. . . . I see zero problem." MSNBC, he adds, offers "a little irreverence, entertainment, and sometimes it's even borderline dangerous."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews


I don't care that MSNBC is left leaning, I'm just tired the network being treated as an unbiased source. I actually watch it more than any of the cable networks, but it is incredibly slanted.
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Old 05-28-2008, 02:07 PM
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FOX News is incredibly slanted, too, just in the other direction. So why is it an issue?
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Old 05-28-2008, 02:10 PM
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I don't care that MSNBC is left leaning, I'm just tired the network being treated as an unbiased source.
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FOX News is incredibly slanted, too, just in the other direction. So why is it an issue?
I guess my question is who treats MSNBC as unbiased? No one I know of. I mean, MSNBC and Fox will both say they're not slanted, but does anybody buy actually that from either of them?
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Old 05-28-2008, 02:12 PM
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In reality, EVERY news source is biased, whether it's TV, radio or print.
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In reality, EVERY news source is biased, whether it's TV, radio or print.
And once upon a time, news sources didn't mind at all admitting their biases. Every now and then, I hear newspaper editors suggesting that the press go back to the days of acknowledging the bias rather than claiming an unattainable objectivity.
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Old 05-28-2008, 02:29 PM
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Fox News is arguably as biased, but EVERYONE treats them as such.

This is the first MSM article I've seen that takes shots at MSNBC. This occurs all the time toward Fox News. I mean, I realize NBC and ABC and CNN are not going to hammer away at a network which shares their political slant, but up to now there has been absolutely no recognition of MSNBC as an EXTREMELY slanted network except on conservative blogs. You certainly can't say the same thing about Fox News.
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Old 05-28-2008, 02:37 PM
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And once upon a time, news sources didn't mind at all admitting their biases. Every now and then, I hear newspaper editors suggesting that the press go back to the days of acknowledging the bias rather than claiming an unattainable objectivity.
The only thing you can do is seek out the less biased sources, and look at a variety of them. I mean, I admit that Fox News and the WSJ editorial page are both conservatively slanted. I think this is sometimes overstated because sometimes there is simply an absence of liberalism instead of overt conservatism, but that is a perspective thing. However, I think there is sometimes a double standard.

For example, I walked into a law school classroom and brought up an article from the WSJ. I was roundly criticized by my professor, who then proceeds to discuss something from the NYT. This happens a lot. Liberals will hold up the NYT or CNN or or the LA Times as being completely above partisan politics, but then rebuke anything found on Fox News. I'm sure there are conservatives who do similar things, but I simply don't see it (and I get into these discussions a lot). In fact, most conservatives I know simply won't bring up Fox News as a source, because they recognize it will be questioned by liberal opponents.
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