Another GOP Senator to leave the party?

IowaStatePhiPsi · #1 11-06-2004, 01:24 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...-chaffee_x.htm

That would make him the second while Bush is president.

The1calledTKE · #2 11-06-2004, 11:50 AM

Good for him. It would be cool if he did. Now only if we could get McCain to change,

PhiPsiRuss · #3 11-06-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Good for him. It would be cool if he did. Now only if we could get McCain to change,

Why would you want McCain to be a Democrat? He's rather conservative. Recruiting him to join the Democrats is basically conceding that the Democratic party no longer stands for anything.

The1calledTKE · #4 11-06-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Why would you want McCain to be a Democrat? He's rather conservative. Recruiting him to join the Democrats is basically conceding that the Democratic party no longer stands for anything.

He is Conservative in some views but he does vote along with the Democrats more often than other Republicans. He is well liked by the Democrats as well. Kerry would have loved to have him as the vp canidate. The Democratic party will always mean something. Party views change through the years and with the time. In the civil war days Republicans were the liberal ones.

Rudey · #5 11-06-2004, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by The1calledTKE
He is Conservative in some views but he does vote along with the Democrats more often than other Republicans. He is well liked by the Democrats as well. Kerry would have loved to have him as the vp canidate. The Democratic party will always mean something. Party views change through the years and with the time. In the civil war days Republicans were the liberal ones.

Such empty words. He is very Republican. He repeatedly turned down Kerry, yet people keep saying well he gets along with Democrats and holds a lot of Democrat ideals. Not true and I would love to see where this is from. The New Republic even shattered the myth of this along with the myth that Lieberman is Republican.

-Rudey

The1calledTKE · #6 11-06-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Such empty words. He is very Republican. He repeatedly turned down Kerry, yet people keep saying well he gets along with Democrats and holds a lot of Democrat ideals. Not true and I would love to see where this is from. The New Republic even shattered the myth of this along with the myth that Lieberman is Republican.

-Rudey

Stuff like this.. http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/apri...cks_bush.shtml

Even if he voted mostly Republican I still like the guy. He is everything Bush is not. I can respect McCain.

People claim Zell Miller is still very Democrat to but he voted along with the Republicans on almost everything even spoke at their convention. McCain very Republican but I agree with alot of what he has said in the past, I am happy is he is not afraid to criticize either party. And no I don't agree with everything he has said but I didn't agree with all Kerry's postions either.

Reguardless I wouldn't mind seeing him switch either way. People are just getting to serious about all this like he really is going to switch.

I can't even state people I would like to switch without people questioning it or attacking it. I guess people just have to have something to argue about.

I am done with this topic.

Rudey · #7 11-06-2004, 05:49 PM

You can be upset and done with whatever topic you want. But you said he votes Democrat and I want to see how often he has. Did you want to just post something and not have anyone say anything back.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Stuff like this.. http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/apri...cks_bush.shtml

Even if he voted mostly Republican I still like the guy. He is everything Bush is not. I can respect McCain.

People claim Zell Miller is still very Democrat to but he voted along with the Republicans on almost everything even spoke at their convention. McCain very Republican but I agree with alot of what he has said in the past, I am happy is he is not afraid to criticize either party. And no I don't agree with everything he has said but I didn't agree with all Kerry's postions either.

Reguardless I wouldn't mind seeing him switch either way. People are just getting to serious about all this like he really is going to switch.

I can't even state people I would like to switch without people questioning it or attacking it. I guess people just have to have something to argue about.

I am done with this topic.

Munchkin03 · #8 11-06-2004, 05:53 PM

The Chafees are part of the old-school New England Yankee Republicanism. What people say is today's Republican party is not exactly the same. Both Lincoln and John did in the Senate what was best for the State of Rhode Island and for the USA. John Chafee's record on the environment was better than most "progressives," and he kept Clinton in check when he attempted to roll back some environmental reforms. Lincoln is following in his father's footsteps.

So, I'm not really surprised at talks of his leaving the GOP, because I've heard variations on this same story since the election of 2000.

The1calledTKE · #9 11-06-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
You can be upset and done with whatever topic you want. But you said he votes Democrat and I want to see how often he has. Did you want to just post something and not have anyone say anything back.

-Rudey

This article mentions some of it...

http://www.hillnews.com/news/072604/mccain.aspx

hoosier · #10 11-06-2004, 10:07 PM

McCain is a good talker, and popular with the lib talk show people (was on Leno the day after the election).

The problem is "What does he stand for?"

Probably not much that was in the GOP platform.

And he'll got his name on the McCain-Feingold bill that - in the name of taking money out of politics - brought in all of the 527 groups - George Soros, Vote or Die, MoveOn.org, and tonsofliberal$$$$.com. (And some GOP groups too, thank God)

Who knows how much money was spent, to repeat the results of 2000, with only Iowa and one or two other states changing

We wouldn't miss McCain

The1calledTKE · #11 11-07-2004, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by hoosier
McCain is a good talker, and popular with the lib talk show people (was on Leno the day after the election).

The problem is "What does he stand for?"

Probably not much that was in the GOP platform.

And he'll got his name on the McCain-Feingold bill that - in the name of taking money out of politics - brought in all of the 527 groups - George Soros, Vote or Die, MoveOn.org, and tonsofliberal$$$$.com. (And some GOP groups too, thank God)

Who knows how much money was spent, to repeat the results of 2000, with only Iowa and one or two other states changing

We wouldn't miss McCain

Would you want Zell?

KSigkid · #12 11-07-2004, 09:13 PM

http://www.issues2000.org/John_McCain.htm

A very broad overview of some of the stands he's taken on hot issues. Not a great site, but a start.

McCain is a charismatic guy who knows how to play to a crowd...honestly though, he's a conservative, sticks with Republicans on many votes, and will NEVER be a Democrat.

I'm not especially shocked at Chafee leaving the party...but that's just me.

Rudey · #13 11-08-2004, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by The1calledTKE
This article mentions some of it...

http://www.hillnews.com/news/072604/mccain.aspx

This article upsets me because it makes a claim in a very short paragraph about McCain being similar to Kerry but doesn't talk about it. What did he vote differently from Republicans on? What other Republicans voted against it? What Democrats voted for it?

And then it talks about his voter rating with the ACU but it kindly leaves out Kerry's rating.

McCain's voting record is Republican. His party loyalty is also to the Republicans as he repeatedly turned down Kerry as Kerry kept pestering him, over and over in this election to join him. This is not a Michael Bloomberg or a Zell.

-Rudey