Guarenteed Bid

stagebear · #1 10-10-2002, 10:53 PM

Hi everyone! The Theta Delta Chapter of Alpha Phi is taking a motion to PHC to get rid of our Guarenteed Bid process. For those of you who have never heard of this, it states that every woman that goes through the recuitment process, attends all of her parties, and follows the other rules/guidelines is guarenteed to receive a bid from a chapter. This means that women can not be dropped throughout the process and chapters must pickup women to manually put them back in the system. This has been a detriment to our greek system, so we're trying to get rid of it.

So my questions are: Have any of your campuses had this system at some point? Why did it change? How do you "care for the individual" when someone gets dropped?
Any help in this would be greatly appreciated.

Love in AOE

TechAPhi · #2 10-11-2002, 04:47 AM

Wow. This is something I have not heard of before. I am very interested in reading what others have to say.

Geneen

PenguinTrax · #3 10-11-2002, 09:09 AM

FSU guarantees bids, but only if the woman attends through preference and doesn't intentionally single preference. Chapters are still allowed to drop women from their lists throughout the week. This year, out of 1100+ PNMs, only 30 women were completely dropped by all sororities, a very low number. 252 women withdrew from recruitment, 57 of which withdrew after preference. The 25 no-match bids were all intentional single preferences, which disqualifies them from a guaranteed bid UNLESS the PNM only attended a single party.

carnation · #4 10-11-2002, 01:47 PM

Okay, so at FSU if someone is invited back to only one pref and has attended all the parties she could, she's guaranteed a bid from that group...but wouldn't it get sticky if one sorority had a whole bunch of single party preffers? Like ABC has 40 at pref, all with 2 prefs, and they could go to either of 2 places but XYZ has 40 at pref and 20 only went to one party. It seems like XYZ could end up with a much bigger group of pledges than the others could.

sororitygirl2 · #5 10-11-2002, 01:50 PM

I think FSU's method seems pretty fair, because the women had to have gotten invites all the way through pref. to be guaranteed a bid (so some random with 1.2 GPA isn't necessarily guaranteed anything because they wouldn't make it past first round); am I understanding this right? This is similar to my school, where every girl you invite to pref. has to be somewhere on your first or second bid list.

Creighton Univ. used to have the guaranteed bid thing for everyone though... I don't know if they still do (I heard the presidents would have to sit down and argue over who they would take).

PenguinTrax · #6 10-11-2002, 02:49 PM

That's pretty much standard for all campuses - if they attend your pref party, they must be on your bid list. The correct and judicious use of release figures will help assure that a reasonable number of women are invited for preference. For example, if quota is set at 50 and there are 3 preference parties, each chapter should have invited no more than 150 women to their parties.

UofIL AXO · #7 10-11-2002, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by carnation
Okay, so at FSU if someone is invited back to only one pref and has attended all the parties she could, she's guaranteed a bid from that group...but wouldn't it get sticky if one sorority had a whole bunch of single party preffers? Like ABC has 40 at pref, all with 2 prefs, and they could go to either of 2 places but XYZ has 40 at pref and 20 only went to one party. It seems like XYZ could end up with a much bigger group of pledges than the others could.

This raises a good point, anyone know the answer? We don't have guaranteed bidding at Illinois and unfortunately alot of girls get "cross-cut" meaning that their number 1 pref had them on their second bid list and their number 2 pref had them on their first. Consequently the girl does not get into a house, a very hear-breaking situation.

thediva_palumbo · #8 10-11-2002, 03:32 PM

What happened at Cameron...

I went through recruitment this fall and some kinda crazy stuff happened. For instance at the first party (philanthropy party) quite a few girls were cut right off the bat because frankly they didn't score well by talking about drugs, alcohol, etc. Stuff you don't talk about at recruitment. By the prefrence party a lot more were cut. How it was done at Cameron is that if you were invited back to the pref party you were most likely getting a bid, but if you were on the b-list at the pref party you might not get in. But once your cut, your cut. A-phi does not have to accept you and neither does the other sororities. A-phi cut a lot of girls this year to get the cream of the crop and possibly COB a few others. I think the rule you all are discussing is not right because it is a sorority for Pete's sake. Not everyone is suppose to join. There are certain qualities that we want in a-phi girls and if girls don't meet them then they should look at a sorority that they would feel more at home.

Panellitic (sorry...terrible speller) was not to happy about what happened this year and one of the a-phi panelitic dropped her pin because we cut so many girls this year and we don't have that rule.

People seriously misunderstand sororities when we cut girls. It's not about their looks or weight it just that a-phi looks for certain things just as any other sorority, and we should NOT have to accept them if they don't meet the requirements we set.

Sorry so long and hopefully I understood the jist of the rule.

much love,

Amanda

stagebear · #9 10-11-2002, 05:48 PM

it does get sticky here at creighton. the first night, each girl attends all 5 houses then ranks them. once everything has been entered into the system, we have to go through and make sure each girl has four parties for the next night. if she got dropped from all but one, the recruitment chairs have to decide which 3 will pick her up for the next night and we then add her back into the system. on day 2, she attends all 4 parties. same thing happens, but this time she only has to be invited to 2 or 3. same arguement ensues. 3rd night she attend 2 or 3 to be envited to 1 or 2 on pref - someone has to invite her to pref. then each girl receives a bid.

stagebear · #10 10-11-2002, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by carnation
Okay, so at FSU if someone is invited back to only one pref and has attended all the parties she could, she's guaranteed a bid from that group...but wouldn't it get sticky if one sorority had a whole bunch of single party preffers? Like ABC has 40 at pref, all with 2 prefs, and they could go to either of 2 places but XYZ has 40 at pref and 20 only went to one party. It seems like XYZ could end up with a much bigger group of pledges than the others could.

let me explain with last year's stats. we have 5 chapters and quota was 31. of course, there is a whole long formula to figure it out, so there were more than 155 girls still in recruitment when it was set. chapter A gave 45 bids, B - 43, C - 41, D - 35, E - 17. the chapters have to list single-party girls on their a-list (cause a chapter has to take each girl and the girl has to receive a bid from a chapter she preffed). then they rank the rest of the pref attendees. if the girls rank A as their first choice (no suiciding - have to rank both) and they are high on the chapters list whether a or b, they are likely to go to that chapter. but its a give and take cause a chapter may want a certain girl more than the other chapter, but because of her place on the ranked list, she may go to the second chapter.
is this kinda making sense?

sororitygirl2 · #11 10-11-2002, 07:29 PM

Oh, I am stupid... I said that I knew Creighton used to have guaranteed bids and then later I saw that you go to Creighton! Sorry!

BearyCuteAPhi · #12 10-13-2002, 12:38 PM

Where is FSU or Creighton ? Or if they are the same, i dunno, i am

....

aoe, ronnie

stagebear · #13 10-13-2002, 02:43 PM

creighton is in omaha, ne

carnation · #14 10-13-2002, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by stagebear

let me explain with last year's stats. we have 5 chapters and quota was 31. of course, there is a whole long formula to figure it out, so there were more than 155 girls still in recruitment when it was set. chapter A gave 45 bids, B - 43, C - 41, D - 35, E - 17. the chapters have to list single-party girls on their a-list (cause a chapter has to take each girl and the girl has to receive a bid from a chapter she preffed). then they rank the rest of the pref attendees. if the girls rank A as their first choice (no suiciding - have to rank both) and they are high on the chapters list whether a or b, they are likely to go to that chapter. but its a give and take cause a chapter may want a certain girl more than the other chapter, but because of her place on the ranked list, she may go to the second chapter.
is this kinda making sense?

Seems like this could really screw up a chapter in regards to quota. I'm pretty sure that all NPC sororities are required to put any legacies they've kept until prefs on their A list. So it seems that, through no fault of their own but because some girls are down to one invitation, they might have to pledge only legacies and single-party girls.

sororitygirl2 · #15 10-13-2002, 06:22 PM

Can't give you too much info., but can assure you that not all NPCs are required to put legacies they preffed on their A-list!