Something that really bothers me

Wooglin4Ever · #1 08-05-2001, 08:33 PM

I know of a sorority that was just removed and it was based for the most part on the fact that they didn't have a big name on campus. They pulled their charter because they weren't the "Hottest" Girls on campus. They had good grades and no violations, they just weren't the hotties on campus. He said that the National Consultants that he knows said that's how all sororities are. The number one thing they want is for their chapters to be the hottest girls on campus. I know for a fact that Fraternities are not like that. Yea, Nationals wants you to be the dominate house on campus, but if you are a bunch of dorks you can still be a good house. I know the biggest thing our Nationals wants is good grades, good philanthropy, few risk management violations, etc. It just bothers me what some of these National Sororities value, it just seems shallow.

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33girl · #2 08-05-2001, 08:47 PM

Wooglin,

I agree 110%. Email me if you want to discuss.

If you think these women got shafted, write their nationals and tell them so. Nothing will change until people speak up. For lack of a better way to say this, thank you for giving a rat's rump.

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erniegurl00 · #3 08-05-2001, 11:51 PM

UGH that makes me mad! I would hate to think that our charter would get revoked because I know we're not considered to be the "hottest girls on campus". To me that shouldn't matter anyway! So yes, I think you should write to National and see if you/we can help.

DeltaBetaBaby · #4 08-05-2001, 11:56 PM

You guys have it all wrong. Nationals doesn't care about a thing your chapter does as long as you send them a check each semester and don't cause any trouble.

GrecianGoddess · #5 08-06-2001, 01:17 AM

Wooglin-
I hear you on this. But simply put- If a sorority doesn't have some type of base for girls, they are going to do poor in rush, and bring very few in. Poor rush, means small #'s, and when you have about 10 girls, its a small cycle to break. Girls rushing don't want to rush a house of 5 when there are houses of 60 on campus.

LeslieEMU · #6 08-06-2001, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby:
You guys have it all wrong. Nationals doesn't care about a thing your chapter does as long as you send them a check each semester and don't cause any trouble.

I'm sorry that you feel this way, but I like to think most IHQs are better than bill collectors.

PhiSigMeg · #7 08-06-2001, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by LeslieEMU:
I'm sorry that you feel this way, but I like to think most IHQs are better than bill collectors.

I think what DeltaBetaBaby meant was that Nationals wouldn't take a chapter's charter away for the sole reason that the girls aren't the "hottest" on campus. IHQs do care about individual chapters, however they don't concern themselves with having the best-looking girls on every campus where they have a chapter. I hope that made sense!

sheldric · #8 08-06-2001, 06:49 PM

I do agree...my old chapter was having problems with numbers, but our nationals never once has threatened to taqke away our charter. They have been more than helpful in answering questions and even sending someone to our campus when we had trouble with our Greek advisor. Nationals has been very supportive and I would hate to think that anyone else has a problem because the girls aren't considered "hot." That definitely would not speak well of that Greek system. Hopefully it is not true or has been exagerated!

33girl · #9 08-06-2001, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby:
You guys have it all wrong. Nationals doesn't care about a thing your chapter does as long as you send them a check each semester and don't cause any trouble.

If you believe this, I've got a frozen head of Walt Disney I'd like to sell you.

Aphigal · #10 08-06-2001, 09:55 PM

Not to be rude but ELC's wold not know why the International Executive Council of a fraternity voted to close a chapter. She might think she knows but chances are she doesn't.

As far as HQ's being bill collectors, nice to know you repsect and honor your group.

PM_Mama00 · #11 08-07-2001, 12:33 AM

Nationals do care about each and every chapter, and each girl in the chapter. I had problems with my grades, and I almost got the boot, but I begged and pleaded like a child not to be kicked out. I even negotiated to every extent. Nationals finally decided to put me on a special status till I got my grades up. I'm glad they did that cuz I would've had NO motivation for school if I got kicked out (I HATE school). So yeah, Nationals does care!!!

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DeltaBetaBaby · #12 08-07-2001, 01:18 AM

Okay, I am out of line, I will attempt to step back in. We have had a lot of really great consultants and National officers who have visited and really cared a lot.

Kapsig1 · #13 08-07-2001, 04:30 PM

Aphigirl - MAN, if that's true in your org, that's really sad in my opinion. All of our SEC's decisions regarding charter revocations are discussed in public meetings, and you can bet the staff is in on them and know exactly what happened. If your national off's are operating behind closed doors, demand a change.

Brad

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Originally posted by Aphigal:
Not to be rude but ELC's wold not know why the International Executive Council of a fraternity voted to close a chapter. She might think she knows but chances are she doesn't.

As far as HQ's being bill collectors, nice to know you repsect and honor your group.

veruca76 · #14 08-07-2001, 05:16 PM

I'm also an Alpha Phi and I'm a little thrown by this whole thread. It was always my understanding that when a charter is pulled, lots of hearts are broken. If a chapter is strong in philanthropy and scholastics, maintains an economically viable size and doesn't have serious risk management (hazing) issues going on then people would still have good things to say about them. Therefore, they would still be an asset to the national organization as a whole. Charters are pulled when one or more of those things has fallen below standards for a long period of time and is judged to be past the point of recovery. I don't believe for a second that nationals pulled a charter because the girls weren't "hot."

Tom Earp · #15 08-07-2001, 06:17 PM

I find it very very hard to beleive this scenario! I Know for a fact that our Elcs know what is going on at each chapter as it is their job to look at, work with, evaluate, and make recommendations to International! I know as i drove for 2 hours to meet with one of our ELCs who agreed to wait for me! Week talked four 2 hrs and I drove back for 2 hours!
There was more to it than one thing! Greek Organizations DO NOT like to lose Chapters! It looks bad and on the Normal it takes 3-4 years for them to come back on that campus!
We as Greeks know We have to grow and spread or die in todays Campus Oficials beleifs because of some of the morons that put a bad light on all of us!

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Tom Earp LX Z#1
Pittsburg State U. (Kansas)