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[cheerfulgreek]

I'll try to keep this as short as I can. I've been known to start extremely long read threads. Well, it's hard for me to keep them short because I'm, well...too inquisitive? I guess.

o.k. I've been getting ready for finals so my study group and I have been visiting quite frequently the last couple of weeks. Last night we were studying reproduction/spay/neuter in dogs and cats. That kind of thing. Well, sometimes we get off subject and start debating about other topics when we should be studying. We were discussing how sexual attraction in humans and animals are very similar. A few students in my group didn't agree, but I wasn't alone in my thoughts.

Like pheromones for example. I don't know their full role in humans, but pheromones have a huge impact in the animal kingdom. Like in mice. They have cells in the lining of their nose designed to pick up sex hormones released by potential mates. In humans, we seem to go for specific body odors, especially if it's a really nice smelling cologne or perfume. We also look at symmetry when we look at the opposite sex. It's similar in animals. Like in peacocks. The male with the most symmetrical feathers walks away with the female. Men tend to buy fancy cars and nice houses to attract a woman. Bowerbirds are no different. They attract females by showing off their nest, which they decorate with the shiniest pieces of litter or debris they can get. What's cute and funny about this, is the female bowerbird stays in the nest for a few minutes to observe it. If she doesn't like it, she flies away. If she likes it, he gets her. Very funny. Even the music we listen to is based on sex. Rock stars get more than their share of women. Similar are whales and birds when they sing to attract females. Mice also do it through ultrasonic sounds. I'm by no means saying that animals and humans are similar in intelligence, but we are sexually.

There's a member on greekchat who starts a lot of freaky threads in the D&R forums, and we all laugh but there's a lot of truth in the threads that are started by this member. I'm not picking on this member, I'm just trying to make a point. Not my sort of thing, but we all know some people have multiple partners, but it's similar to what antelopes do. It's typical in the topi antelope which have month long mating rituals. The female is fertile for only one day, and she mates with several partners (I think it may be up to 10, but I'm not sure) on several occasions each time.

Look at the guys who are surrounded by a circle of women. They seem to attract other women outside of the circle. This is true with a certain species of fish. I don't remember the species but the male with the most females attracts more.

Soooooooooooo is there a science to attracting the opposite sex?

Are mating strategies still driven by the evolutionary urge for men to spread their seed?

I think there is. If the 1st few seconds of a 1st date go wrong, you might as well forget it. People judge photos of faces according to attractiveness, likeability and trustworthiness in the 1st few seconds. Only prolonged contact can reverse a poor 1st impression.

Again, I'm only comparing humans and animals because in school we do it all the time. 99% of human genes share a comparable version in mice, and many of them appear in the same order in our chromosomes. We also have similar reproductive and nervous systems. That's why I compare and also why the mouse is used as a principle model for biomedical research.

Sorry so long...again.

[DaemonSeid]

CG...I agree with you...there is a science to it but moreso, just plain and simple, like attracts like be it scent or visual.


I do think that when you see someone, initially you already have an idea if you are physically attracted to them.

I do however have a question...

Something someone said to me a long time ago and I think there is a bit of truth to it and I would like to know what you think.

True or false:

Once a woman sees a man (especially if he is interested in her), she already knows from what she sees whether or not she will have sex with him.

[Coramoor]

I suggest you go read Sperm Wars and Red Queen.

Can't win the game if you don't know the rules.

[catiebug]

Hmmmmmm...

Sometimes true, sometimes false. When I first met my ex, I thought at first glance a) he looked nothing like what I thought he looked like (we knew each other from work e-mails), and b) I thought he spent more time on his hair than I did.

He knew from the moment he first saw me that he wanted me. It took another few meetings for me to get there, but once I was at that point, I never wanted to let go. It just about killed me when he broke up with me (via e-mail and text, the bastard).

And lucky me, I get to spend two days with him next week. Yea.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Something someone said to me a long time ago and I think there is a bit of truth to it and I would like to know what you think.

True or false:

Once a woman sees a man (especially if he is interested in her), she already knows from what she sees whether or not she will have sex with him.

[AlethiaSi]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

True or false:

Once a woman sees a man (especially if he is interested in her), she already knows from what she sees whether or not she will have sex with him.

just a quick response to this, I think it's generally true, at least for me, sometimes things happen between people and you change your mind about them, but I think for the most part, women know

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

CG...I agree with you...there is a science to it but moreso, just plain and simple, like attracts like be it scent or visual.


I do think that when you see someone, initially you already have an idea if you are physically attracted to them.

I do however have a question...

Something someone said to me a long time ago and I think there is a bit of truth to it and I would like to know what you think.

True or false:

Once a woman sees a man (especially if he is interested in her), she already knows from what she sees whether or not she will have sex with him.

Daemon, when you say like attracts like, my question is why? What causes the attraction?

I think for men it's visual, but for women it's for more reasons than that. At least it is for me. I mean, at 1st sight of course that would drive me to want to know more about him, but I wouldn't have sex with him just based appearance alone.

I think there is some truth to what you said about sex for some women. I think it's all about certain personality criteria though. Women are attracted to the tribal leader, someone who exhibits those characteristics of status. I do think that a lot of women that do the speed dating thing pretty much have made their minds up about a guy within 30 seconds of meeting him. For me and for some women, a simple smile can sometimes be enough to attract me to a guy.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Daemon, when you say like attracts like, my question is why? What causes the attraction?

I think for men it's visual, but for women it's for more reasons than that. At least it is for me. I mean, at 1st sight of course that would drive me to want to know more about him, but I wouldn't have sex with him just based appearance alone.

I think there is some truth to what you said about sex for some women. I think it's all about certain personality criteria though. Women are attracted to the tribal leader, someone who exhibits those characteristics of status. I do think that a lot of women that do the speed dating thing pretty much have made their minds up about a guy within 30 seconds of meeting him. For me and for some women, a simple smile can sometimes be enough to attract me to a guy.

CG...luv ya like a play cousin...but that last part is bullcrap ....nah just playing but really we are talking about the base level of sex.....before the convo really starts

See....some women have been conditioned to repress that id which gives them that urge to jump the guy's bones...LOL.

Thus, they 'want to get to know us better...'

I mean come on...you see 3 guys across the room...which one is gonna stand out?

Remember this too, women tend (not all let me say that now!!) to be more emotional than men when it comes to sex.

Yes, men may want more than just visual...but we are simply isolating one thing...sex...physical urges...putting everything else aside, we have to like what what we SEE first and then it goes from there.

What causes attraction...I dunno...I have an abstract theory that geometry has a role in it...hehehe!

Well anyway on an offside, has anyone ever noticed the dating patterns of some people? For instance a person may have 4 different women they may have dated and they may all be similar in height shape or weight?


Oh yeah....ps...I wasn't saying that women would have sex with men just based on appearance alone, what I should say is, that his chances are increased by the what she sees and his chances either go up or down from the first time he opens his mouth.


Hmmm....sounds like someone needs to channel Samatha from Sex and the City and find out if what I am saying is true!

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

CG...luv ya like a play cousin...but that last part is bullcrap ....nah just playing but really we are talking about the base level of sex.....before the convo really starts

Oh yeah....ps...I wasn't saying that women would have sex with men just based on appearance alone, what I should say is, that his chances are increased by the what she sees and his chances either go up or down from the first time he opens his mouth.

Oh, don't give me that. You were so serious. Liar.

Yes. This is right on. The minute he opens his mouth is what does it for me. If he's a hottie that's one thing, but if he's hot, but not very smart, romantic and can't hold a conversation with me then....uhhgg.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Oh, don't give me that. You were so serious. Liar.

Yes. This is right on. The minute he opens his mouth is what does it for me. If he's a hottie that's one thing, but if he's hot, but not very smart, romantic and can't hold a conversation with me then....uhhgg.

The spin of it is...from your approach tho....we aren't talking about convo wise right? we are talking about that first look....or few looks....like what turns one on that would MAKE them go over and talk to see what chances they have of hopping in the sack....correct?

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Men are more visual than women. I wasn't slapping them in the face, it's the truth.

to a point she is NOT lying.....but let's just say that women are better at covering up than we are...HA!

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Daemon, when you say like attracts like, my question is why? What causes the attraction?

I think the question here is flawed. It sounds like you're looking for ONE cause; as if it isn't possible for attraction to have several "causes". One plus one plus one equals three, but one isn't a "cause" of three.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I think for men it's visual, but for women it's for more reasons than that.

Ouch. There's a slap in men's faces.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Women are attracted to the tribal leader, someone who exhibits those characteristics of status.

Again with the generalizations.

Look, I see where you're going with the whole mice/human comparison thing. Lots of scientists have gained lots of information through testing mice (and other animals). Studying one thing can often be an avenue to understanding something else, but when you're talking about something as complex as human sexual attraction, then the comparison is way off.

We have no way of knowing whether the ugly boy mice have better communication skills than the hottie boy mice. And since this seems to play a role in human attraction, well, surely you can see how the comparison doesn't quite work.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I think the question here is flawed. It sounds like you're looking for ONE cause; as if it isn't possible for attraction to have several "causes".

It can be several causes, but then again it can be ONE cause. It depends on the person. Men are more visual than women. I wasn't slapping them in the face, it's the truth.

Knowing sexual behavioral patterns in humans is not really well known, but I was comparing them to the study in animals to see what other greekchat members thoughts were on this subject. In the animal kingdom it's all about status. Like in wolves the Alpha males gets 1st pick for everything. What woman wants to be with a whimpy guy without any confidence in himself?

I'm not saying that this is at all accurate, I just wanted to see other opinions on the subject. That's all.

[Ronnie B]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I think the question here is flawed. It sounds like you're looking for ONE cause; as if it isn't possible for attraction to have several "causes". One plus one plus one equals three, but one isn't a "cause" of three.



Ouch. There's a slap in men's faces.



Again with the generalizations.

Look, I see where you're going with the whole mice/human comparison thing. Lots of scientists have gained lots of information through testing mice (and other animals). Studying one thing can often be an avenue to understanding something else, but when you're talking about something as complex as human sexual attraction, then the comparison is way off.

We have no way of knowing whether the ugly boy mice have better communication skills than the hottie boy mice. And since this seems to play a role in human attraction, well, surely you can see how the comparison doesn't quite work.

I don't know man. I'm straight up visual. I don't know about you, but a woman with a nice body makes me hard as hell.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I think for men it's visual, but for women it's for more reasons than that.

This statement implies that for men, attraction is strictly visual. Why else specify that there's more involved for women?

If your statement doesn't mean that there's more involved for men, then don't single out the women and say we're the only ones who consider more than visual cues.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

This statement implies that for men, attraction is strictly visual. Why else specify that there's more involved for women?

If your statement doesn't mean that there's more involved for men, then don't single out the women and say we're the only ones who consider more than visual cues.

see...you missed the first two words...and that is what I was trying to tell you BEFORE.


"I THINK..."

If she had omitted that out from the beginning then the whole statement on BOTH sides would become more concrete....do you see the logic of that yet??

[SydneyK]

ALL of this is clouded with an "I think". None of us know. It's all opinion. Her opinion (as I've gathered from her own posts) is that men are strictly visual. I even said that her words SUGGEST that men are strictly visual (no where in this whole mess of a thread did I ever say she came right out and said it - it's suggested, or implied).

I think she's wrong.

And I think this thread's a hellamess, so I'm bowing out.