Hotep Brothers. KSigkid, I have read your stated view and I am in total disagreement with your premise of timid like ways insofar BLACK MEN FRATERNAL orders being afraid to DENY and subject individuals w/a "NO" answer due to their sexually wayward & backward ways/tendencies that are in direct CONFLICT w/the overall establishment of the relative fraternal order(s) that a BLACK MAN is attempting to be granted membership. I am a proud member of the PRINCE HALL MASONIC FAMILY(PHA), and I am also a LOYAL PRINCE HALL SHRINER(AEAONMS). I am by far making an attempt to mix apples and oranges, but let me explain a little RULE and MUST that ALL of my fellow PRINCE HALL MASONIC BROTHERS are NEVER too blind to pay CLOSE ATTENTION to. MANHOOD is checked and verified! Yes, it surely is. Take your ACLU jargon and flush it down the toilet, because MANHOOD VERIFICATION will only become more intense due to the fact, that "infiltration" has become a way of life in today's society. I am nearing 20 years of being a SHRINER of which I was blessed to become after being brought into "BLACKMAN ALPHADOM," and I can assure you homosexuality is NOT ACCEPTED! Try bringing your liberal "PC" garbage to my brothers of OKLAHOMA JURISDICTION more especially my MILITARY LODGE BROTHERS who revere the FRATERNALISTIC HISTORY OF THE FRATERNAL BLACKMAN to not be inclusive and accepting of homosexuals, gays, & whatever you so choose to label these individuals, and rest assured that the issue will be dealt with and handled with the "VICTOR" being MANHOOD. As an ALPHAMAN I cannot and will not allow for the splendor of BLACK MANHOOD as promoted through BLACK MEN FRATERNAL ORDERS to be weakened! NEVER! ALPHA PHI ALPHA FRATERNITY, INC. was founded by BLACK MEN! PERIOD. Lastly, I do not condone gay bashing or violence towards any group. I work in the field of Social Services which is dominated and saturated w/alternative lifestyle promotion. I simply stand on my notion that "ADAM is for EVE" not "STEVE."