[DeltAlum]

Firehouse,

Appreciate the comments and explaination of your feelings.

Here's what it boils down to to me.

Here in Colorado, we have (at least) three college kids dead from alcohol poisoning. Two of the deaths were at fraternity houses.

Without looking, I would bet that the following ten, maybe fifteen, perhaps twenty threads are at least in part about chapters being closed and charters revoked because of alcohol or hazing. Most of the hazing involves alcohol.

I wonder how many former chapters have their stories told below.

How many more stories will be told in the future?

Make the argument that college students are going to drink whether or not they are in Greek organizations. That's true. But it doesn't matter. Why should we perpetuate the problem by allowing it in our houses?

Besides -- broken record time -- it's against the law. The law. Not the norms of society, or university regulations. The law.

It's illegal.

People or organizations can get arrested and have to pay fines or even serve jail terms.

I'll bet there's not one fraternity ritual that says, "We know it's against the law, but since everyone does it, it's OK to supply our underage brothers with alcohol because the law in unfair and we will ignore it."

I'll also bet that there is no fraternity bylaws or constitution that says "In order to impress our new members, it is necessary to beat them or humiliate them."

Those things are against the rules in every fraternity I'm aware of.

Those things are local chapter problems and decisions.

So, how many more chapters will we read about in this forum in the next year -- two years -- ten years?

When will chapters wake up to the new reality?

Somewhere, sometime, this has to stop.