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Originally posted by HBADPi
All I meant by that statement is that this isnt the domino effect that you may think.

That's not a fact, but an opinion that you still are not backing up.

Originally posted by HBADPi
This isnt as grand of an event as the Berlin wall falling sorry but I dont see 7th graders reading about the Iraqi elections in this World History classes in 10 yrs.

Again, as above.

Originally posted by HBADPi
The only way you're going to get "democracy" in other Arab countries is to do what the US did with Iraq - attack.

That is yet another opinion, and not only can't you back it up, but it betrays a poor understanding of the emergence of democracies. Iraq didn't just have an authoritarian regime, it was totalitarian. It was the one nation in the Middle East that could not transition to a democracy without external intervention. Saying that other nations in the Middle East can't transition to a democracy without an American invasion is completely false. There are no more totalitarian governments in the Arab world. What is needed by the U.S. with nations like Egypt is not action, but inaction. All the U.S. has to do is not support the current regimes, provided that new variables don't emerge.

Originally posted by HBADPi
Despite the elections, Al Queda still threatens to attack and Iraq is still under the constant threat of terrorism.

What the rest of the Arab world wants has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Also, Al Qaeda's presence in Iraq will prove to be, at best, marginally relevant. Everyone knew that when Sadaam was removed, there would be a civil war. What is currently happening is that the civil war is being very well managed. Rather than 5+% of the population being wiped out, well less than 1% is being killed. If this civil war is managed to the point where it occurs only in debates on the floor of their parliament, then this will prove to be one of the greatest experiments in democracy ever, and those who opposed it may be viewed by history as equivalents of Nazi sympathizers.

Originally posted by HBADPi
Perhaps if and when the elections prove to be a success you can claim the rest of the Arab world will want to be in the same position as Iraq.

Or perhaps you should call a pollster like Zogby so that you can learn that what Arabs want is already known, and they wan't democracy.

Originally posted by HBADPi
A high voter turnout isn't an indication of the people's want for "democracy" or a successful election.

You're flat out wrong. When people are not coerced to vote, and their voting is done under the threat of death, then a high voter turnout is absolutely an indication of a people's want for democracy.

Originally posted by HBADPi
Millions of voters turned out for elections under Saddam Hussein too. During those elections, there were pictures of "joyous" Iraqis at the polls then as well.

And this was the opposite of what happened on Sunday. They were coerced into voting, and a failure to do so might have resulted in a loved one's trip to a rape room. Your comparison is illogical, and therefore invalid.

Originally posted by HBADPi
There are a lot of Iraqis who aren't celebrating and who aren't happy. They don't even have electricity or water or gasoline.

Do you want to provide percentages, and demographic breakdowns? In a nation of millions of people you can always find people who "aren't happy." There are former Baathists who aren't happy. Should anyone have been concerned with unhappy former Nazis in post-WWII Germany? That's a ridiculous waste of sympathy. As far as electricity or water, you forgot to mention that more Iraqi's currently have electricity and water than before the invasion, so what's yopur point?

Originally posted by HBADPi
Further more the Shitte and Kurds came out in big numbers,

Everyone came out in big numbers.

Originally posted by HBADPi
the problem still exists with the Sunnis. If the Sunnis arent involved in the creation of the new democracy Iraq wont advance one bit - with or without free elections.

No kidding. That's why all of the Shiite leaders were making inclusive statements before, and after the elections. The interim constitition requires that no more than two provinces may object to the new constitution, or there won't be one.