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WARNING: Rather lengthy, but IMHO a good read:

Radio broadcaster Joe Pyne was the first outraged, outspoken, right-wing voice on national television, the father of modern conservative talk shows; blazing a path for Morton Downey, Jr., Wally George, Jerry Springer, Dennis Miller, Chris Matthews, Michael Savage and the rest.

Never one to avoid controversy, Pyne claimed to keep a loaded gun in his desk drawer - and no wonder with the kooks he (or more accurately, the TV cameras) attracted.

Joe developed his confrontational persona in 1949, when he discovered his audience on WILM Radio in Wilmington, Delaware got more excited when he raged on about local and national injustices. A companion TV program, the first Joe Pyne Show, debuted in 1954, broadcast locally on WDEL-TV, Channel 12.

After a move to the West Coast in 1957, Pyne promptly made a name for himself in Riverside, CA when he busted up a high school drug ring on his radio program. Within weeks, this notoriety led to a local LA television program on KTLA.

With the success of the LA show, Pyne moved his TV program back to the Delaware Valley (WVUE-TV in Philadelphia) in the fall of 1958.

He returned to Los Angeles when Metromedia offered him a local weekly LA slot and a nationally syndicated program in 1965.

The two-hour syndicated gabfest was filmed at KTTV-11 (now FOX-11) studios, located in the recently defunct Metromedia Square. The Joe Pyne Show started airing on three stations, Saturday nights around 11:30pm. Within a year, 85 stations around the country (like Channel 8 in Tulsa and Channel 48 in Philadelphia) signed up. His radio program was being heard in 254 markets as well, he was the number-one morning guy in LA in 1966.

Perched on a set awash in cigarette smoke, Joe hosted a wide assortment of colorful visitors, anyone who had a weird story (like being abducted by aliens or having seen Bigfoot) or possessing an extreme point of view (against the war or for Women's Lib).

He would often start out an interview with an insult to get his targets off-guard and flustered. One of the most famous tales about The Joe Pyne Show involved the wooden leg he earned from service in WWII.

An exchange between Joe and musician Frank Zappa went like this:
Pyne: "So I guess your long hair makes you a woman."
Zappa: "So I guess your wooden leg makes you a table!"

Pyne was smart enough to recognize the public was ready for a tabloid television experience, he was there to deliver it first.

The Joe Pyne Show opened up with 'gripers' in the 'Beef Box,' where people from the studio audience could, apparently unscreened, bitch about whatever they liked.

The program drew LA area locals for the assemblage, so naturally there were a good number of nuts out there. For instance, in this clip, a hippie (Pyne hated hippies) speaks out against the slaughtering of animals - naturally, Joe uses him as an object of ridicule.

During the interviews, Joe played up to his audience which consisted largely of older folks and arch-conservatives who were unwavering in their support of the war in Viet Nam, their disgust for hippies, atheists, and the Women's movement, and their utter contempt for the minimum wage law, affirmative action and any other progressive cause that threatened to bring on a frightening liberal humankind.

Joe Pyne was knowledgeable on a wide range of issues and could speak with restraint and reason. At the same time, he would be condescendingly insulting and occasionally course when he'd had enough of a guest.

That's when he gave the audience what they came for - the proverbial fight at the hockey game. The congregation erupted in cheers whenever Pyne ended a segment with a roll of his eyes, a sideways glance, and his famous invective, "take a walk!" You see that same spirit alive today with Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly's catch phrase, "Shut Up!"

There was nothing Pyne loved more than baiting inexperienced guests, openly ridiculing those he disagreed with, providing them with enough rope to hang themselves - if not by a preponderance of the evidence then at least by unraveling their nerves on the air.

Critics accused Joe Pyne of bullying his guests, but he couldn't be faulted for being a keen manipulator who took advantage of his mastery of a medium that few were savvy in. TV hadn't been around very long, after all.

Life magazine commented, "His manner is that of a barroom tough who invites his quarry to pull up a chair and sit down. Five minutes later, the poor lummox is apt to feel like he has been slapped into a corner with his tie ripped off."

After Joe got in his licks, he would turn to 'the dock' to give individuals from the now-outraged crowd their chance to grill the guests - and fling their own pious put-downs. Pyne was unapologetic about his approach, "I'm not a nice guy, and I don't want to be. I have no respect for anyone who would come on my show."

Say what you will about Pyne's confrontational tone; in all fairness, he did give his guests time to make their point and for that reason he attracted many serious guests. The LA Times wrote, "No one conducts the straight, hard-hitting interview as well as Joe Pyne, the master showman of the talk realm."

The Joe Pyne Show was so popular that NBC tapped him to host a daytime game show during the summer of 1966, Showdown.

This unusual game teamed Joe with a rock group and six contestants in a primitive version of Nickelodeon's Double Dare. Without the controversial exchanges, audiences tuned out for Showdown, preferring the show that replaced it - Hollywood Squares starring Peter Marshall.

In 1966, Pyne could be seen in a ridiculous movie entitled Mother Goose A Go-Go and in 1967's The Love-Ins, playing himself interviewing a hippie LSD advocate.

Thirty-five years ago, race was rarely discussed on commercial television.

A careful examination of one episode of The Joe Pyne Show from 1968 offers us a peephole into the past; an opportunity to look at how race was discussed on TV in the mid-sixties, and a glimpse into to the very origins of one of the most infamous organizations of all time (see left).

Joe Pyne wasn't exactly a champion for civil rights. He was suspended for a week when he pulled a gun out in front of a Black guest during the Watts riots period. In one of Pyne's last shows, taped shortly after the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King in 1968, two guests debated distinctly opposite political views.

On one side was Rev. E. Freeman Yearling, a representative of the John Birch Society offshoot TACT (Truth About Civil Turmoil).

This organization was promoting the concept of "the responsible Negro." They were determined to see to it that Dr. Martin Luther King, Huey Newton, Ralph Abernathy, Malcolm X and other prominent civil rights leaders of the era were not glorified.

On the other side of the debate was Mr. L. C. Wheeler, activist and founding member of the 'Black Cat Bones.' Wheeler described his group this way, "Those who know don't say, those that say don't know."

The guests entered into a spirited discourse about race and the role of Black leaders in America, post-Martin Luther King.


:RACE BAITING 101:

Joe Pyne did his usual provocative probing on this program, insisting that Rev. Yearling identify himself with an established label - Black American, Afro-American, Negro, whatever. African-American (or Afro-American) was considered a radical designation at the time.

Rev. Yearling also sparred with Pyne about his recent 'termination' from the Metropolitan Baptist Church, all the while trying to make his point that forced integration of schools and neighborhoods was wrong.

Wheeler vehemently disagreed, "Make up your mind. Now, we can't solve it by integrating, we can't solve it by segregating, what are we gonna do? Die?"

"My first and final concern, is the preservation of the individual rights of all Americans," Rev. Yearling declared, voicing the John Birch party line. "Now, the choice we face in this country is not between colors. It is not between Black and White, it is not between Black power and White power, compulsory segregation and compulsory integration. The real choice is between Americanism and world Communism."

Wheeler accused Rev. Yearling of being an Uncle Tom puppet of the Right Wing; "In other words, they're running a Winchell and Mahoney, or should I say, Richard and Willie act. Do you see what I mean? The Right Wing is Paul Winchell, in this sense, and he's Jerry Mahoney. He's the little Negro colored boy dummy, that they're moving, they're working his mouth... and this sucker is speaking against all the Black movements which have brought us progress."

Wheeler's approach to debate veered from well-informed to insulting (twice calling Rev. Yearling, "Reverend Doctor Colored Boy") but he ventured into even choppier waters when he pointed to what he saw was the fundamental problem in American society - "(Yearling) has Zionism mixed up with communism. I'm referring to the Jewish conspiracy to enslave the world - ever since them Zionist killed Jesus Christ, Jews have been causing trouble."

The audience roared with disapproval; don't think that statement didn't raise a hackle with some of the little old Jewish ladies in the audience!

One must wonder why Pyne invited these two particular individuals to debate on his program, but it was just that kind of audacious broadcasting that Joe Pyne delivered to a hungry nation for three years.

A chain smoker, Joe was diagnosed with lung cancer at the peak of his career. After broadcasting from his home for a period, Joe gave up his shows in 1969. He was only 44 when he succumbed to Lung Cancer on March 23, 1970.

Joe Pyne ended each show with his signature signoff, "Good night everybody. Straight ahead!"




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TVparty-er
Leon Malinofsky
tells us:
"I remember Joe Pyne's TV show from 1967 - 1969. I caught it on one of the UHF stations out of Boston, probably Channel 38. He was merciless to charlatans and sloppy thinkers (usually liberal). Two particular interchanges I remember:
"1. A fortune-teller or swami of some kind, complete with turban, was a guest. Joe asked him a few questions about his "mystic abilities," and then lowered the boom. "Didn't you tell my makeup man back stage not five minutes ago that this was all an act? That you put on this turban and told your story and "they all went for it?"

"The hapless swami protested, but Joe wouldn't let up. He ripped up the fellow's "reputation" with a kind of grim relish, the look in his eyes something like you might imagine you'd see on the face of an army medic reaching into a wound to pull out a piece of shrapnel. Job completed, Joe told the fellow "you make me sick" and invited him to "take a hike".

"THIS WAS DYNAMITE STUFF-- NO ONE had ever seen or heard that style of interview before.

"2. One show, I think, was on gluttons, drug users, or other persons who abused their health. A woman stepped up to the Beef Box and said to Joe "You're a hypocrite! How do you explain those cigarettes you're smoking, Mr. Pyne?"

"While I don't recall Pyne's exact answer, I remember it was kind of lame-- and Joe acknowledged that in a rare insight into his personality and style: Almost apologetically, to the audience after the woman stepped down, he said, "Well, I had to get out of that somehow" -- exposing the game for just a moment.

"As a wounded war vet with a prosthetic leg, Pyne had unique license to rip up fools, parasites, and the self-indulgent. What an amazing original, at least two decades ahead of his time. I'll bet Rush Limbaugh used to be a listener, and was powerfully impressed."


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"Thanks for posting the interesting feature on Joe Pyne.
"I was only 14 when he died, so I kind of came in on the "tail end" of his outrageous career, but I grew up in southern California and I do remember his TV and radio shows. I remember late one night, I was listening to him on the radio (it might have been early morning--I had a paper route) and he had some black guy on there who kept referring to himself as a "slave," and referring to all black people as "slaves."

"Naturally, Pyne wasn't going to sit still for that, and he ultimately challenged the guy with, "If you're a slave, I should be able to sell you!" This went back and forth until Pyne finally threw down the gauntlet and said, "Let's do this--let's go out on the sidewalk and I'll see if I can get anybody to make an offer on you!"

"When they went to a commercial break, Pyne's out-tro line was, "This is Joe Pyne taking Ernie Smith out on the sidewalk to see what I can get for him!"

"Outrageous. And soooo '60s."

- Kelley Dupuis


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"As a teenager, I loved to watch "The Joe Pyne Show" on Channel 8 here in Tulsa for the weirdos he frequently had as guests.
"Joe Pyne functioned as a corrosively skeptical Art Bell, bringing on out-and-out cranks, drawing them out and and poking fun at them in his deadpan way. I remember one guest with a shaved head (not so common in 1968) and wearing a ceremonial robe who would periodically retract his eyelids for a moment. I can't remember if his shtick was being a Messiah or an interstellar visitor.

"Joe was such a put-down artist, it was a thrill to see him meet his match. David Susskind, who had his own controversial talk show, cheerfully batted away Pyne's barbs. F. Lee Bailey (well-known then as the attorney of Dr. Sam Shepard, the real life model for Dr. Richard Kimble on "The Fugitive") made Pyne look like a monkey, to my delight.

"The audience members who stepped into the "Beef Box" were often as freaky as the guests. It seemed difficult to make any points against Pyne from this precarious perch, since Pyne usually wound up telling them to "take a hike". I must be getting old; I don't enjoy any of today's rabble-rousers as much as I did Joe Pyne."

- Mike Ransom


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"I took a lot of ribbing because I had the same name but spelled differently. He was Joe Pyne and I am Joe Pine. But it sounded the same! To this day, people that remember him still ask me if I am related etc.
"I remember writing him in 1973 telling him about the hassles I got from my friends and how it was his "fault" hoping that maybe we could meet and/or get on his show. Unfortunately, whether he received my letter or not, died from cancer.

"The one legacy that I received from him during the fall semester of my freshman year (1969) in college (much to my dismay) was that the dorm I was residing in ( my friends and I still believe was the basis for the movie Animal House) was that the Dorm Mother had made a game of everyone figuring out everyone's name to get each dorm resident to know each other. Well, for the Joe Pyne aficionados, who are aware of the Beef Box on the show, the Dorm Mom gave as a clue to me, the French translation of beef box as a clue to me.

"After that, my team mates on the football team called me Beef Box (although I earned the nick name of "The Kodiak". The name should explain itself). I did get to share the Beef Box moniker with a J.C. transfer who was much bigger than me and a J.C. transfer smaller than me. We respectively became Big Beefer, Beef Box/ Beefer, and Little Beefer.

"On the whole, Howard Stern does not hold a candle to Joe Pyne, the original shock jock, who started it all."

- Dr. C J Pine