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Originally posted by KSig RC
This applies to everything . . . Look, some of you are so caught up in your own independence (which is great) that you've taken to sweeping generalizations that simply may not be acccurate.
I've found that IQ and EQ (as AKA_Monet wisely put it) don't necessarily correlate very often - so when I'm seeking out someone to date, I'm looking for an emotional intelligence first, then an intellect. I don't need to discuss the finer points of string theory over drinks, but there will most likely be a time I need to discuss relationship issues. This is not to abase or somehow deny intelligent women - trust me, that's pretty cool no matter what - but rather to show that many factors come into play beyond what we've pointed out here.
Know your stuff . . . whether you're arguing sports, game theory, world events, or the direction of a relationship. Your masters in electrical engineering is pretty meaningless when the only level on which we can communicate is that of the text book - and this applies to the dudes as well, regardless of the standard.
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Hey KSig RC--
I agree with your statements. In general, one has to know his or her stuff.
And I think that where SOME younger women get turned off in science is at the elementary-middle school years. Some of that has been clearly documented. And it has very little to do with a woman's ability to grasp scientific concepts. It seems it has to do with her surrounding support system and environment...
Read explanations in your general chemistry and physics textbooks on various laws and theories and how they are explained... Many of them are explained from a purely "male" perspective... Such as, if an engineer had 2 flanges to attach to a RFPA, etc...
Most young girls are barely exposed to those kinds of things... I am even amazed when my husband, a very smart scientist and veterinarian, explains some things to me I find extremely "male identified"...
It is my theory that many women scientist become successful in their field because they have found a way to either manuveur through such a predisposed scientific system (epistemology), remained elusive and ignored the simple-minded statements encountered while going through their fields, or were just that smart, that intelligent that is just didn't matter what folks said to them...
Many women I know who are in science do downplay their appearance. They don't wear make up, they barely dress up. Most women M.D.'s either wear scrubs or "pant suits" but are not wearing the fancy-smancy St. John Knits to work... And even the current lady Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology, Dr. Linda Buck, came out looking extremely haggard and stressed and she should be blasting away by looking good...
This to me is disheartening. And a few of my fellow women collegues in my Ph.D. program were the one's the keyed me into this observation...
And personally, I think of myself one of the attractive ladies... And when I choose to dress up, and do a little revelation--even though I may disagree with it for personal integrity--I do get a lot of help from men, my experiments would get done for me, magically... That's why they call these things the "wonderbra"...
So it is hard for a woman to pursue science EQUALLY to a man in this society... But, I don't know how it is seen in other countries because most of my Chinese women colleagues are creditialed scientists, too... Go figure...