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Originally posted by Erik P Conard
I am not condoning hazing...I realize SAE in Evanston abhors a
forfeiture. But, could not have Winthrop intervened, suggested
an advisor, counseled some, done SOMETHING other than give us
more bad press? What the hell are administrators for, anyway?
I think SAE is a fine outfit, and we all stumble from time to time.
But it is a two-way street. The colleges have no trouble taking our contributions, alumni $, and so on. Why can't they see it when we are in trouble...and give a helping hand rather than a
kick in the butt?
Maybe I do not understand and I am too damned old to change.
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1) It is no secret to us (people in GLOs) what is considered hazing now-a-days. Whatever they did, they broke some rules. In grade school when we were bad, we were sometimes sent to time-out .. which is essentially what the administrators are doing here. It's not a new concept. This has been happening since kindergarten..we're just a little bit more "grown-up" now. (please notice I didn't say "mature")
2) The school didn't "give" SAE bad press. This chapter did that on their own when they chose to break some rules. When you do that, there are usually consequences. Regardless of "what kind" of hazing it was, SAE did this to themselves.
3) Most all universities love to take money as long as there are people willing to give it. Most universities also have many programs for students to take advantage of. However, it is not the duty of most universities to baby-sit all the organizations that are present on the said campus. If the SAEs needed baby-sitting, maybe they should turn to their HQs for that. HQs also have many resources for helping their own chapters. If the SAE chapter in question did feel they needed help, I'm sure their HQs would have been happy to provide for their chapter.
Sorry this sounds really rude, but I'm not going to feel bad for a chapter that broke hazing rules - regardless of what hazing it was. I don't care if they were forced to do 547 pushups a day or get drunk and wear cheerleading outfits out on the town. If the National HQ doesn't think what they did was major enough to yank the charter, then more power to them! The chapter can operate un-recognized by the university. If the HQ does have a problem with it, they need to work on what happened so it doesn't happen when the fraternity is allowed back on the campus.
