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Originally posted by RACooper
Look using the same litmus test of whether something is "systemic" would actually condemn the US forces more right now (though in this case the troops involved are subject to prosecution under the ICC)... point is, and what I was trying to make, is this:
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Actually, you're wrong on this point. You're elevating the scale and frequency (again) of crimes committed by American troops to try to establish equivalency, when there is none.
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Originally posted by RACooper
"Don't condemn an orginization whose goals and methods are noble in origin, because of the actions of evil men"
A thought that most greeks when exposed to bad press should be familiar with - a bad apple can spoil even the best basket.
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That's a highly specious argument. When GLOs' members behave wrongly, we admit to what was done, and admit to systemic problems. We also attempt to change to prevent any further reoccurrences.
The last time that I checked, Kofi Annan has yet to admit to any systemic problems within the U.N. That means that he is either a complete and total moron, or that he is corrupt. I suspect the latter. The U.N. is also clearly corrupt. Until this is addressed, the U.N.'s goals are tainted, and their methods are anything but "noble." The U.S., at least, has assumed full responsibility for the criminal actions of a few of its soldiers.
The U.N. at this point doesn't resemble the solution. They resemble the problem. Since we're throwing around quotes as if they're facts or wisdom, remember this, "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
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Originally posted by RACooper
The problem with this thread - and most of the people that have it in for the UN in the past - is that the majority of critics are either "Republicans" or anti-globilization folks; people more than willing to critique the actions of the opposition without realizing the flaws of their own...
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You're engaged in dialogue with
me, and I'm neither a Republican, nor am I anti-globilization. I'm probably the most pro-gloablization person around. Its easy to be anti-U.N. and pro-globalization when the U.N. has half-century record of being incompetant, innefectual, and corrupt. The U.N. is not the vehicle that promotes globalization. Its merely a democratic confederacy where most of its members are not democratic, and that is the root of its uselessness.
I recognize the flaws of American actions. The U.N. remains silent on theirs, and thats worth plenty of critique.