[AEPhiSierra]

just to clarify about Buttonz and my school. Our locals are recognized by the school but our schools involvement is very minimal. We have a greek advisor and though he is very involved, beyond booking meeting rooms and providing general guidance there are no hard rules. He's basically like don't do anything that will get people sued or arrested and don't do anything on campus that will piss off the administration or really hurt your rep. Its kind of a see no evil, hear no evil policy. While I am sure a lot of national chapters around the country break the rules and haze to some extent and drink when they are not suppose to we are more conscious of risk management and reputation concerns b/c its been drilled in our heads by our national. If a national does haze they don't announce i to everyone on campus.

Our locals are not discreet and I have seen pledges wearing sandwhich boards, signs, pledge shirts, bags and screaming greetings on campus which announce their affiliation to everyone. One has had letters to the editor complaining about line-ups in both our campus paper and another regional campus where they are trying to expand. Their main means of recruitment is parties and mixers with a lot of alcohol.

Meanwhile the NPC chapters follow all the NPC rules. But a lot of girls rush the locals thinking they look like they have a lot of fun. A lot more girls drop pledging the locals. And while my chapter has at least 3 girls that dropped pledging locals and Buttonz's chapter has at least 2 including herself its very hard to win good girls back over to pledging b/c they don't realize the difference.

And I know this isn't the situation on most campuses especially where associate membership in panhel gives locals almost all the same rights as a national. But in New York and to some extent NJ this is the situation on many campuses. And of course I have heard that nationals haze but I almost always hear "this national makes their pledges do this but there is this crazy local..."

I am sure I am going to get a lot of crap for saying this but that's what I have experienced around me.