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Originally posted by James
Reading some of the above responses, I am wondering if women's libbers have done too good of a job redefining date rape.
The concept of date rape got so little notice for so many years that the only way to really draw attention to it was to make it as horrific in the minds of the populace as violent stranger rape.
Hence you have people saying that there is no difference between violent stranger rape and date rape for a woman.
I think this idea has become so prevalent that when many young women think of Rape today, they think in terms of date rape settings which are usually non-violent.
Girl was drugged. Girl had too many drinks. Girl was on the verge of sex out when she said no, he didn't stop but didn't use violent force.
So then, when we say stranger rape, many women think of those same scenarios and replace the acquaintance with a stranger.
I think this shows a certain naivetie. A concept more shaped by political correctness than a true appreciation of the viscitudes of life.
Stranger rapes are usually violent or violently coercive.
Getting pulled out of parking lot at knife point and being beaten into submission when you try to resist, knocking your teeth out, breaking your cheekbones, shattering ribs, maybe fracturing your pelvis . . . is horrific.
Or being forced to have sex with a knife to your throat or a gun to your head , not knowing if this total stranger is going to take your life . . .
If you guys are telling me that you think your average date rape scenario is worse than that, I think your arguments are rather academic and need to be rethought.
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Uh, James? Notice the part where I said, "All other things being equal . . ."? Yeah.
Plus, not all stranger rapes are necessarily overly violent, and not all date rapes lack violence. Stranger rapes can use the threat of violence just as effectively as violence itself. And date rape can use violence just as effectively as you're imagining a stranger rape might. NOT all date rapes are simple "misunderstandings" the way you're defining them. Plenty of them do not involve alcohol, or only involve alcohol on one side or another, or involve the girl getting drugged, etc. etc. I think the number that involve straight up misunderstanding the way you think they do is actually quite slim.
Furthermore, taking a stereotypically male viewpoint, you assume violence is the worst thing that can happen. Often the feelings of guilt, self-questioning, and self-blame can be FAR more traumatic than any violence involved.
Although, as I have said many many times, you clearly have little conception about what rape is about and to debate it with you is effectively pointless.