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I would be equally mortified if the member was 52, James. You miss the point entirely because you are too busy trying to defend the moronic behavior going on out there. Besides ... we know that the vast majority of our collegiate membership aren't even of legal drinking age.

It certainly isn't in our values to ENCOURAGE the consumption of alcohol. And, it is most certainly not a part of our values to consume so much alcohol that you become incoherent. And, it is very much a part of our values to obey the laws associated with alcohol.

I don't really care how many people die from being hit by lightening as it is not relevant in the least bit. You must have flunked out of high-school debate or something. You need to come up with something better than that. You miss the entire point James. In fact you miss the point so much that I can't figure out how you became the moderator for this forum. The overconsumption of alcohol is not a deisred activity. Creating situations where members are encouraged to overconsume alcohol is not a desired activity. Writing on members is not a desired activity. Those are not "freak events".

Let me get this right ... you said "After all, if drinking is such a clear and present danger that you take your life in your hands every time you drink, then maybe we should laud the fraternities and sororities for prevening literally millions of deaths a year." Either you really believe this BS you're dishing out or you're just trying to be contrary. We all know that the overconsumption of alcohol leads to many risks (including possible death). There is NOTHING redeeming in the situation that went down here. NOTHING. I would like to hear you defend the practice of having a chapter tradition to take new members into the mountains and drink massive amounts of alcohol before they can come back and then tap a keg when they are back at the house. And then I would like to hear you defend having a chapter custom of writing on anyone who passes out with their shoes on. There is no defense for it, James. So what if lots of other kids unaffiliated with a Greek group get caught up in drinking too much? We're talking about OUR members who we are supposed to actually care about.

A Greek Organization should be a place that encourages more responsible behavior instead of coming up with more clever ideas of how to do it. I will never throw my hands up in the air and say ... "Oh well, kids will be kids ... at leat not very many of them are dying out there."

Get a clue, James. I only hope that you aren't out there advising a collegiate chapter.