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Originally posted by naraht
Preciousjeni,
I'm going to assume this is a response to my last message and go from there. 
IMO, CasanovaAPQ, we both agree that someone is not a brother until they have gone through the initiation ceremony (honoraries are another issue).
However an advisor to a chapter is just as much a brother as you and I, and they go through no process. At least five of the Fraternity's National presidents include the Chief never went through the pledging process as they first affiliated as advisors. I don't believe they were less than they could be in the fraternity because they never went through a process.
I still point to those brothers who started chapters like Eta Omicron to indicate that the process run by other brothers is not a necessity to make brothers that we can be proud of, however the fraternity today does attempt to add pledging-like characteristics to the chartering/rechartering process including the existance of the Petitioning Group Ceremony, Petitioning Pins and when possible Big Brother chapters and Big Brothers to individual Petitioners from the PG from the BB chapter.
Randy
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I am in full agreement with you! The original post, however, was talking about New Members vs. Pledges. The examples you gave did not include a pledge process at all and would not be subject to the renaming.
I love my Alpha Phi Omega brothers no matters how they can to be!