O.k. - this is so queer but I did not go to h.s with him = I did not get it from him in h.s but in my soph year of college... I know= I don't know why he did not lavalier me or pin me= but I get the ring. Those of you who are greek know why he (he was an ATO) did not lav or pin me... I so need your advice - - thank you! Sue