All good points - i didn't use KSU b/c you were discussing the Big8 south, so i was providing counterpoint.
Althon's rankings? we'll see how it plays out - Mizzou and TU have long-standing history of being overrated pre-season (plus i don't think even Rich Rodriguez would put WVU at #5 all season...).
Anyway, we'll get back to the discussion- I obviously was using a little bit of hyperbole in the bigeast discussion, but the Big8 is horrendously overrated every year. I will stand by my statement that w/out OU they are a decidedly mediocre conference, and that they are not ANYWHERE above the big10 or SEC in terms of their programs, which has been claimed on numerous occasions.
And Texas Tech sucks, do not ever bring that to me ever again. They just don't win big games against good competition. It's a system; how many TTU players are currently playing in the pros?
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Originally posted by ktsnake
Not that I think Athlon's a great mag..
But yah, K-Sig, you did leave out K-State. Not a half bad program. Nebraska will be coming back more than likely. Maybe not this year, but soon. A&M has nowhere to go but up after last year. God they were awful. Francione (ass) has a good history of turning teams around. He got scary close to beating OU when his Bama team played AT OU back in 2003 (Stoops has only had one loss at home since '99).
The Big East though.. you're comparing the BEST teams the BE has to offer against the mediocre teams of the Big XII. Let's take your best squad by far... WV. I'd say that they are MAYBE even with some of the middle of the pack guys like Okie State, Texas Tech, etc.
BTW, Tech is just a system? Okay, if it's "Just a system", everyone should run it, get 50+ points per game and 500+ yards through the air. I think every coach in NCAA D-I would be using that system if it were that easy. Leach is just a hell of an offensive coach. They also play against some excellent Defenses and win. Texas Tech is good and getting better.
Texas just has to do one thing to be top-5 material again. Get a good coach. They have as much talent as anyone in the country according to Rivals/Insider.
Anyway, back to the former argument... The bottom of the Big East.. Rutgers, Temple, etc.. I'd definitely say that Kansas or Baylor would stand a good chance against 'em. You'll never get matchups like that, b/c teams like those go on the road to lose. Baylor is also under Morriss improving a lot. If you've watched any of their games, they're definitely playing better.
Miami... I'd liken them to Texas. They drop games they have no business dropping. But at least they own FSU. But they're not Big East anymore.
Enjoy my stream of consciousness?
Back to the main point. You can't take OU out of the Big XII. If you compare the Big XII to be Big East, there simply is NO comparison. WV wouldn't even be in the top half of the Big XII in my opinion.
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