I was given this hint many years ago. Maybe it will help.
First, whoever bring up money first is at a disadvantage so don't bring it up. I was taught to respond, "What would a person with my qualifications and expertise, do you feel, would be a fair compensation?" Or something like that. If up against a wall, I would highball it.
And, NEVER ever show them your most recent pay stub and if you can say you make more than you really do because it's bad news taking a pay cut in most situations.
And take into account parking, health insurance, gas, etc. That can really really add up.
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