If anyone wants to PM me and discuss this issues in this thread, please feel free to do so. I feel discussions about Biblical concepts should only be done when they are fruitful...meaning people are trying to gain understanding. This thread is turning into a debate, and I am not going to "argue" with anyone about Christ. All of a sudden new rules and parameters have been set and people have been accused of ASSuming stuff. The Bible speaks for itself. For those who choose to design their own form of godliness or make up their own rules to live by, they can live with those consequences.
I am standing Titus 3.9 "But avoid foolish questions, and geneologies and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."
LBF 2 Timothy 3.1-7 may be helpful to you