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Old 07-08-2004, 08:38 PM
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For Lia05

Ok, the thread must have been closed while I was typing this, which took me about a half hour, so I want to say it, dammit! (And yes, this has been covered before but Lia05 is new and may not know exactly what to search for, plus I have answers to spesific questions she asked!)

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Originally posted by lia05
1. "I will admit that Recruitment can be superfical, but that's mainly because you have 3 minutes with each girl to decide if you want them as part of your life-long sisterhood"--AlphaFrog
...It probably took me around 3 minutes or so to type the first message, and a few extra minutes for this one. What do you know about me based on what it is you can "see/imply" about me and what I have told you so far? (Note: this is not a personal attack on AlphaFrog's comments; I just want to know what everyone thinks about this.)
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6. "We had a sister who was a lesbian, and in the end she ended up quitting, because it was a rather uncomfotable situation. (It's like putting a straight guy in an orginzation with nothing but pretty lesbians, he's going to feel at least a slight bit uncomfortable)."--AlphaFrog

One more question to ponder: Who is uncomfortable, the straight guy or the lesbians? Perhaps both??

Lia


Everyone else can answer your question in regards to their post, but I'm going to answer your question in regards to my post.

Yes, we only have 3 minutes with each girl, but she also has 3 minutes with probably 10 other sisters. We don't make our decsion based on one person's three min. with a rushee*. Also, if you look further into the recruitment process (which I hope you do!) you'll find that the first 3 min. are just step one. If the soroity AND Potential New Memeber (PNM) both decide that this inital first impression was favorable, they indicate that they'd like to go back and see them again. (Which is where the second round of Rush* comes in).

The soroities invite girls back and they decide which houses they want to go back to. This leads to a bit longer chance to meet girls in the soroity and have say...7 minute conversations this time, plus usually some activity to help you get to know more about the soroity. Now you've had 10 minutes of conversation with maybe the same, maybe different girls (and trust me, those 10 min can say alot....when I went through, there were two soroities I could have talked forever with and the rest after a few minutes and uncomfortable silence).

Again the PNM's and soroities narrow down their choices and maybe there are one or two more rounds...every round with less girls and more time which equals more indivual time with each girl.

So while the first round of rush is what really can be superfical, the whole rush process give adaquate time for both the sisters and the PNM's to figure out where they really belong (be that in a soroity, or maybe the PNM decides on a non-greek org.). Also, unless there are locals on your campus, there are other ways of getting to know a soroity: websites, pamphlets, etc... And while all chapters of an org. are different, they all share a common bond for a reason.

Plus, you know everywhere you go, be it class, an interview, or rush, first impressions say alot! Think of soroity rush almost like a job interview (only more fun!). Job interviews can be superficial, because again, they only have a short time to get to know you and see if you're right for their company. Interviewers can be discriminatory...it's illegal, but they're human....and if you don't like job interviews, it's not something you potentially could avoid, like rush, so why not? It's definatly good pratice for that!

Disclaimer for our PC GCer's:
*Rush and rushee used because they are more familair terms to non-greeks then recruitment and Potential New Member (and shorter to type) I realize it's "Recruitment" and PNM
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As for the lesbian/straight guy example:

Maybe ALL the lesbians are uncomfortable, maybe the guy is uncomfortable, maybe only one or two lesbians are uncomfotable and the guy is perfectly fine...point is, people are all different. If a gey person feels comfortable in a chapter, and everyone is fine with it, then great for them! If the gay person is uncomfortable, there's no reason they have to stay. If the chapter (as a whole) doesn't feel comfortable with having a gay person, then why would the gay person want to be a part of it? And if it's just a few members that have a problem, then the gay person can weigh whether they're ok with a few members not being ok with them vs. benefits of staying in the org. Being gay is a very personal thing. I personally don't have a problem with it, but I don't judge people that do have a problem with it because A)you'll probably never change their mind B)it is something that people veiw as "unnatural" and against many religions. I do have a problem with people who act out against it (beat gay people, use demeaing terms), but just because someone is uncomfortable with it, doesn't make them a bad person, it's the actions that CAN make them a bad person. Basically, the gay person can't help being gay and the straight person who is uncomfotable with it can't help that either.


Ok...now that I've written you a novel covering everything from the Recruitment process to a sensitivty lesson on gay people, I will shut up now. If you have any further questions, please driect them at me! Have a great day!
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