[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
There are many women out there who wear makeup because they like it. There are also many women out there who don't wear makeup. Your argument is ridiculous. The vast majority of women don't wear it to look good for men . . . they wear it to look good for themselves and feel more self-confident.

Of course people judge people by their looks. That's not in question. Nobody in this thread is saying, "You must find Monica sexually attractive, and have sex with her." They're saying, "Hey, it's kind of rude to rip on someone's looks as harshly as you have, calling her fugly when, actually, a lot of people find her cute and especially when you probably couldn't even get a date with a woman that looks like that, let alone a woman who looks better . . . that's kind of ghey, and furthermore, it's going to vastly decrease your chances of getting laid by ANY women, not just the ugly ones." (Also, especially when you've made it clear that you have no idea what a size 12 actually translates to in real life . . . James, I'm looking at you.)

The girls-ripping-on-girls culture is another issue entirely (one I don't condone, personally), competition-based, and doesn't excuse -- or relate to -- what guys say about women's looks. Unless those guys happen to be gay.

The argument is not ridiculous. If you don't want to be judged on looks, don't incorporate a daily capitulation to society's judgement of looks into your life.