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Originally posted by 33girl
If you run an establishment large enough that you have a "stack of fakes" at the end of the night, perhaps you need more people at the door carding. I'm not sure what other states do, but we card at the door - are you saying there are places where you get carded when you actually order the drink??? I bitch about PA's liquor laws, but this sounds like one where we are on the right track.
ETA that here if you aren't 21, you can't even ENTER a bar. You can go to someplace like TGIFriday's, but a lot of those prevent underagers from being in certain areas at certain times when the atmosphere becomes more club-like.
And perhaps the bar owners should lobby for law that imposes a bigger penalty on underagers rather than tying up the court system. I agree that the dichotomy between the two is a bit much, especially in CA where 16 year old movie stars can go to the bar.
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I had a fake ID as a minor, a damn good one that cost me an arm and a leg. There wasn't a bouncer around who could tell the difference between my ID and my real license. And the guy I got it from made them for everyone, sometimes the bouncer CAN NOT tell the difference. And that is what everyone is getting at. No matter how well you train your staff, sometimes the ID is too good. There are people out there who make a living making ID's for illegal alliens and the like.
As far as the swipe strips on the back, when I was still in undergrad in Fl but over 21, I went to the MVA got an ID card, and gave it to one of my pledge sisters. She had someone laminate an ID over it with her picture, and it worked everywhere until she as well turned 21.
No in my old age, I don't condone this anymore. But nothing is FOOLPROOF, ID's these days are high tech both real and fake, and everyone is stepping up there game to either outwit the fakes, or better counterfeit.
If I knew a bar might sue me underage I might have taken a second thought about going, becasue some stupid MIP charge or other misdemeanor fine of $100 wasn't a big deterant.