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Originally posted by Rudey
I don't do anything unconditionally. I don't condemn anything unconditionally so that in the future someone can come and say oh but hey torture is torture. In the Filipinies, torture was used over 40 days to secure information on an attack on the pope. Throughout the world, there are many ticking bomb situations where it is necessary to extract information to save many lives. So yes, I emphatically support torture in that context.
However, I do not support torture for the sake of torture and believe that there should be steps taken to prevent that. I do not know the full case of Abu Gharib and neither do most of you. You do not know what happened beyond those pictures, you do not know what crimes (if any) the prisoners had committed, or anything further. I believe in Dershowitz's idea that there should be separations and balances built in where acts like this would be prevented but stress can be applied to prisoners to extract information and save lives.
And there is no comparison between Abu Gharib or Berg's case. None. One wasn't the result of the other to begin with. Additionally, Berg not only is dead but died a brutal death. By posting both in the same post you have created an idea of "one and the same". That was foolish and there was absolutely no reason for it.
-Rudey
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So, do you or do you not condemn the torture in Abu Gharib?