Yeah I am disgreeing with some of these changes. ITs creating a wierd victim like culture where all men are potential predators and it somehow implies that women aren't fully responsible for themselves.
The man should know that if a woman is drunk and at the time she wants to have sex, that indeed she is not capable of making a decision so he should decide for her, even though he is also drunk.
Thats the way we treat children.
I meant its only rape, in a legal sense, if there is a conviction.
As far as Amy, if he maintained on his side that she wan't passed out it would be a much harder trial, his word against hers, but the ensuing scandal would follow him for a goodly portion of his life regardless.
Rape is an awful long time in jail for part of its applications to be based on perception. i. e. I would not have done that if I hadn't been drinking.
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Originally posted by sugar and spice
It is becoming quite clear that you understand little of what you speak, but you brought up some interesting points so I'll bite.
It's only rape if there's a conviction? Try again. I think I understand what you mean but it was badly phrased.
The situation you described with the jury is interesting, and probably pretty common right now -- but it will change drastically in the coming years. Many older women ARE very stringent about what constitutes a rape because they themselves were raised with the idea that if you're drinking/if you're wearing suggestive clothing/if you're flirting with the guy/if you've hooked up with him before/etc., it's your fault. However, rape laws have changed drastically since these women were growing up, and women (and men) today are being taught completely different things about whose fault it is. I'm making an educated guess that in twenty or thirty years the way the average woman views rape will be completely different, and if men don't want to get slapped with a lot of rape charges they had best start falling in line before that happens.
The whole rape issue is very much at a crossroads right now -- standards of what is acceptable and unacceptable are changing very very quickly and I think that makes it hard for a lot of people to understand the issues.
And like I said, regardless of whether or not Amy was drugged, her rape case would be a fairly easy conviction (as much as any rape case is) in most states if she had the evidence to back it up and if she chose to go forward with it. She was passed out -- thus unable to give consent -- therefore, it is pretty clearly a violation whether or not the guy thought so.
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