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Old 04-25-2004, 10:48 PM
Rudey Rudey is offline
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Originally posted by DeltAlum
HR 3162 RDS

107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 3162
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
October 24, 2001


Above is the header from The Patriot Act.
The Name given as well as certain changes made would follow this but most of what is in the act was available because Clinton allowed for it.

Why is this a Republican or Democrat issue? It was passed 375-66in the House and 98-1 in the Senate - not too many Dems voted against eh (Kerry voted for it btw and still supports it)?

Much has been said about section 216 which only modified pen register and trap and trace.

The ACLU wants to talk about facts. Let's talk about them.

1) They acknowledge that most of what falls under the Patriot Act was available before.

2) The ACLU sued to find out what information the government had obtained from library records because it was so worried. Prior and during the suit, all sorts of audacious claims were made against Ashcroft. They went on to say 85 out of 1500 libraries had passed on information to the FBI. The result was (hold your applause) NOTHING because not once had there been an effort to obtain these library records.

-Rudey
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