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Originally posted by Marie
#1. PJ is probably being more Christ-like than most others on this board. While she states that she has her own opinion about the issues, she also encourages others to choose for themselves. It has always been my understanding that Free Will is a major gift that God has granted to human beings. While it hurts him to see his children sin, he still gives them the right to choose for themselves. So I don't really understand why her Christianity is being attacked. She's not gay. She's only saying, "let gays live their life how they choose to, and then let them work it out with God at the end". To me that sounds very similar to what God has already ordained for his children.
#2. Love_Spell, I think that you're kinda flaking out at the end here. You've made some very strong statements in this discussion, which you say are backed by God's Word. However, when you're questioned for further explanation, then you "throw your hands up" like "I'm only repeating the Bible". Well, infact you're saying a little bit more than what the Bible says. You've talked about how gays are causing America to stray away from it's moral core (althouh the US was founded on slavery, rape, murder, lies, and hatred), you've also talked about a direct link btwn homosexuality, beastiality, pedophilia, and polygamy (which while the Bible does say that they are all abominations, it is not clear that one causes the other), and you've talked about it being OK to deny gay rights because this nations is a democracy and most people here disagree with gay marriage (when we all know that the majority of people do not support equal rights for minorities, yet we still are granted them). I think PJ has a legitimate question when she says, "If you say that marriage is an institution ordained by God, then what are those "married" couples who are atheist or Non-Christian engaging in?" Can it really be the same institution? I don't know, and it's OK if you don't know. However, to question someone else's Christianity because they asked you a question that you can't answer is not fair.
#3. Everyone here has and does sin. Many people on this board are having sex outside of marriage, lying, thinking negative thoughts about others, having sexual thoughts about others, stealing (from the Church, the govt., or others) and most commonly (at least on this board) judging others. So to condemn someone else because of their choices, is hypocritical at best.
Now I say this, because there was a comment about the "anti-gay marriage advocates" on this board having a vendetta or being hateful. I think that may be the perception because some of the replys do not simply attack the person's arguments, but rather they seem to attack the person themelves. Some of the replys seem to be making JUDGEMENTS about the people who posted, rather than targeting the merit of their comment or post. (Not all just some.) I know many will say that they aren't judging anyone, however, I'm not certain that this is the truth when you read the SPIRIT of some of the replys.
I guess, I just don't understand how one can take a Christ-like stance, when the nature of the way that they are taking this stance is unChrist-like.
Last piece, I promise. If you want to reply that's cool. However, if you do so please reply to the spirit and the merit of my comments. I really hate it when you make an argument w/5 good points, and then someone refutes just 1 point as if that makes the entire argument null.
JMHO,
Marie
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First I dont flake out on anyting
Second, you can call me un-christlike all you want...the only opinion that matters to me as far as that is concerned is God's....and like I said...he will judge us all and we'll be accountable for our own actions..but i was not going to sit by and listen to a self professed Christian say she was for Human rights as if the word of God..and everyone opposed to gay marriage isn't
Third, i've said PLENTY on the homosexuality lifestyle and why its wrong and if you missed it i'll reiterate i.e. its sick, perverted/imorral, will destroy the family, many gay men have been molested and many women are tired of being dogged bymen and thus turn to this lifestyle, it will open the door to other immoral lifestyles wanting to be married i.e. polygamy, incest, beastiality etc. and lasty IT IS A CHOICE! It doesn't matter what i say, what proof i offer...some are still going to disagree and thats cool...
And lastly..for those non christians that are married...marriage is ordained by God....there's no debate about that. But when you don't follow God's law...that's why u have a situation where the divorce rate is 50%. No one takes the word seriously...and especially what it has to say about marriage. however i think the point is irrelevant because it doesnt change the fact that in God's eyes the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination...and it many American's eyes its sick!
And yes i agree with what someone else said...we will have to agree to disagree...but throughout this discussion i have really learned a lot as to why some people think the way they do...and thats a good thing
