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Originally posted by Rudey
You watch too many movies...it keeps you from understanding statistics.
How about black immigrants vs american blacks? Who does better there?
And your statement about being afraid of black males: 1) I'd be more afraid of anyone young because I don't see an older person attacking me, 2) I'd be more afraid of a man because not too many females really intimidate me, and 3) what is this based on?? Do you actually have facts about this or do you just want to scream about inequality? At the end of the day, if I'm not in a nice little neighborhood and a young male walks near me I will take a bit more caution.
Here's another one for you: The only credible crime study ever links crimes to community involvement. When a neighbor calls another neighbor to tell her that her kids are hanging out on street corners, when a neighbor picks up garbage off the sidewalk just because she enjoys the community, etc. Why is it that certain communities have neighbors who care?? Is it because of white skin privilege or a deep rooted culture??
This whole thread is actually stupid. You want the damn answer to your original question enlightenment? The answer is yes, there is racism and blacks are at a disadvantage a lot. The answer comes from studies where men apply for jobs with different names or go in for interviews and the white guys gets hired even if he's not as qualified. So it's there. Why do you ask when you know the damn answer?
I don't know how to stop it but you have to separate that racism from something else that is keeping a whole class of people back. That is a whole other issue and most of you can't seem to understand that. The other problem does not get solved by throwing money at it. It doesn't get solved by having after-school programs (actually more like football camps because I never even see afterschool programs anymore). Nothing gets solved like that. NYC schools are attempting to get parents more involved by having a paid parent to call other parents and get them involved.
-Rudey
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Rudey, Hi, I'm Phasad1913. I've never posted anything directly to you and I have only recently begun to post on the board although I've been an avid reader for a few years now. However, I wanted to say this: I think you have an over simplified view of things, and I think you want to oversimplify the way you look at things so you won't have to look deeper into yourself or at the issue at hand to try to understand them or others the issue involves. That isn't anything new, though...it's one of the main reasons why these sorts of problems don't get fixed. You may or may not even realize this but you do as indicated through your comment: "I don't know how to fix it..." and "You want your damn answer, Why do you ask when you know the damn answer?" You're getting upset about him asking a question that he clearly is curious about instead of doing what everyone else is doing and exploring ideas in an effort to think critically about this REAL issue.
Anyway, this bothered me because it's all too common. When people are required to think too much about a problem that they are sensitive about, i.e. race issues, they get defensive and try to deminish the credibility of the initiator of the conversation or trivialize the issue. This is not trivial to those of us who deal with racism on a daily basis...and I'm not exaggerrating.
I don't know how to fix the problem either, but I do feel its a worth while task for all of us who live in this country. As a Chistian who takes the notion of loving they neighbor and doing unto others as I would want others to do unto me very seriously, I certainly don't think whites who do harm to non-whites would want the same done to them and I'm willing to help them and whomever else get away from that sickness.
I don't think we really need statistics to substantiate Enlightened's claim of fear and threat because racism in America is as old as the country itself and racism in general is as old as time itself and it has been studied time and time again and the root has been determined to come from these sorts of feelings among other reasons. So, again, let's not try to disect things that we know or should know by now are definite indicators of the problem.
Also, yes, deep rooted cultural phenomena have a direct impact on plenty of societal areas, including education, but please don't generalize all black youth and/or people. There are PLENTY young people who live in so-called "disadvantaged communities" who do well in school, earn scholarships and go on to good colleges and do well. They aren't all being denied parental involvement, afterschool programs, etc. etc. and ESPECIALLY parental/community support and discipline for valuing their education. As a black person, member of the black "community" as well as heavily involved with community activities and programs for these very younth, I KNOW how much education is valued in our communities, homes and culture.
So, while I don't know you or what your experiences have been, I do know about my culture and young black americans (and there are all kinds of them) so I think you can take it from me and as far as Asians, their "success" in America is for their various reasons. They are not us. We have a different story, with different and other successes. While they show one set of stats and numbers, don't compare them to us, there are many Asians in inner cities who are just as lax in their educational pusuit as anyone else, whites too.
So, yeah this was mainly directed at Rudey, but hopefully others of you can appreciate my perspective and use some of what I've said, however long (lol) to help shape a broader view.
lata.