I have to apologize to you xoheatherxo, I thought I was clearer.
Having manners has nothing to do with being a nice guy.
You can be a kind soul and spray food while you talk, as well as scratch your crack in public and sniff it.
lol
What I was trying to point out is that a lot of women have experience with men that don't seem to know basic courtesies and basic courting behavior.
And that when they do stumble on it, they think it so terific because they are used to the lack and attritube it to being great or nice or whatever. When in reality that should be just normal.
That should be the basic standard of behavior and then you determine whether they are nice or whatever.
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Originally posted by xoheatherxo
no offense to this thread, but opening a door for a girl and picking her up has nothing to do with whether or not youre a nice guy. i was born and raised in ny, and except for those few times around the holidays, people rarely hold the door open for other people. its just a fact of life around here. and when i went to school in new mexico, everyone holds doors open for everyone. i personally wouldnt choose to date or not date a guy based on if he opened doors, picked me up, or bought me stuff. personality counts too ya know!!!! i think i can handle opening my own door and driving myself places.
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