Also, as for the second point, I brought it up because I know at least a couple of those who posted in the GDI thread got PMs from other members of their groups who berated them for participating. I'm torn on what I think about this: on one hand, I'm sure we've all been embarassed by the way other members of our organizations (on GC or otherwise) have acted; on the other, it's not like people posting in those threads didn't know their organization's policies or expectations . . . they just chose to ignore them. I'm just not sure how I feel about when it becomes too presumptuous to tell your brothers and sisters what to say or how to act, so I'm waiting for somebody to make an argument that makes sense to me.