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Old 11-21-2003, 06:08 PM
Rudey Rudey is offline
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Originally posted by moe.ron
PRESIDENT MEGAWATI SUKARNO PUTRI? Well, first it's a her. and it's a president. And her party, PDI-P is a nationalist-secular party which garner 30% of the vote. And no, I don't think the MALAYSIAN PRIME MINISTER is any better. He is a racist. His policies on Chinese-Malaysian is pathetic. And his constant jabbed of Australia isn't helping the integration of the Eastern Asia economic realm. Megawati herself is a secular nationalist. Her father, Sukarno, was also a secular left winger. Her mother, a hindu.

I disagree with you. What about Abdurahman Wahid? Or Amien Rais. They are all great MUslim thinker who refused to accept Sharia in Indonesia. And you know what, their organizaton, NU and Muhammadiyah has over 100 million supporter and both organizatoin has repeated said no to forming an Islamic state in Indonesia. They have said, we don't need to politized Islam. A famous saying by one of the past member of NU, "Islam - Yes, Political Islam - No."
Yeah you got me on that first one I wasn't thinking quickly enough - but yes the Malaysian Prime Minister. My point still stands on him. He has a much larger following than Farrakan correct? Yes. Is he thus a very good symbol of Muslim leadership these days? Gone are the days when Syria and Iraq would massacre the religious by the tens of thousands. Now the leaders have decided to turn religion into their tools. Why didn't most other Muslim and Arab countries apologize for his remarks Arya??

And those leaders are still not in charge Arya. They are not the ones on tv. They are not the ones making the speeches. And if you'd like I can dig into a couple articles (later - not now because the port financing i'm working on is much more important) on Arab scholars being shut out even in the US because they didn't agree with wahabism and rejected Saudi money to buy them off like most other madrasas and "scholars".

-Rudey
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