Yes, Iraqi people did not want reform. They wanted to face executions, torture, rape, etc. on a daily basis. Also as Sean Penn says, who are we to tell them what's good for them? In Iraqi culture, executions, torture, and rape are good things.
Sometimes those on the inside are powerless.
Change has taken place in Iraq, why isn't there a large-scale popular movement to bring back Saddam?
Maybe the Kurds should accept their fate - to die by chemical weapons (which don't exist and never happened).
And now the people in Iran are powerless as a violent theocracy kills and oppresses. What does the UN do? Not much I guess. The Nuclear inspectors publish a report on clear evidence that Iran is pursuing nuclear weaponry, but under the influence of France and Germany, the new report will not punish them for this. So what if exotic lasers are being used, so what if Iran is oil rich and has absolutely not one incentive to pursure nuclear energy, so what if nuclear facilities for 15 years were not revealed. This isn't a case of what exists and doesn't exist but one of greed by European exploiters, a story of a continent that is taking joy at rubbing their thumbs in American eyes, a story of a continent so irrelevant to the future that they are grasping in every way possible to become relevant.
-Rudey
--I guess people on the inside don't want change...you see when they bang their own heads against the walls of Iranian prisons, they're just saying "WE DON'T WANT CHANGE".
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Originally posted by moe.ron
The Iraq war has nothing to with 9-11. I'm sure you've probably read AEI paper about taking Saddam Hussein out. AEI staff are now also part of the Bush administration. Reform can not be from the outside. My sister worked across the streed from WTC, and I've seen many to many death in my life.
I too have seen death. I've been to Rwanda, DRC, Angola, Mozambique, and I've personally seen what war does. And these war was a proxy war between the so called "West" and the "Communist." There can never be reform being pushed from the outside. The local will never accept that reform. It must be from the inside. Also, Bush has talked about freedom, democracy, and human rights, well, he must also walk the walk by no longer supporting dictators such as Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan who is known to use the "War on Terror" to silent his opposition. We are stepping back, not forward as a war. In the past, human rights abuses were justified to fight the communist. Now, it's justified to fight terror. Then there is sending of suspects, many guilty by associaton such as MAher Arar, to countries which in one hand the adminstration critized (Syria) but then they gladly let them torture people. I can tell you that many people are cynical not because of words, but actions. Democracy is good, but it must be from the people, and not by guns. Democracy by guns are not sustainble. Democracy from the people are.
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