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This may be a little off the subject but I'll say it anyways.
Its not so much what we see as hazing but what others see as hazing. See, even though we get permission from our pledges/ associates in the world of the greek you are guilty until proven innocent. And even though the associate tells your national that it was his idea, how do they know you arenlt forcing him to say that. In the question of hazing always assume the worst and try to isolate yourselves from any outside influences. My house has been shut down for hazing once. So when we rechartered, we instated a strict no hazing policy (I actually mean we don't haze). Some associates kinda want to be hazed a little (at least guys). Its very wierd. Then one night a freshamn asks us to tie him up and drop him off on DZ's front door and ring the doorbell. Little did we know he was really drunk. He puked all over the door and then they untied him and then called our nationals. He was passed out so he couldn;t tell them not to. As soon as the nationals heard about it we were screwed even though we didn;t do anything.
He got the idea to be tied up from a sophmore who did it just before him at a different house. He thought that was a good way to meet girls... (he was drunk) and wanted to do it too. It was very funny because I actually had a recording of him on my cell phone being carried over there to the house while he was telling us where to go. He was actually laughing on the recording. But we got screwed anyways. We got a fine and another X on our record.
Its really as if we need to live better than other organizations and actually be secretive to protect ourselves from outside perspectives, because no matter how much evidence or proof we have we'll still get screwed.
J
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