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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
They got kicked out! SigEp kicked them out! They said "Hey, Captain Underpants, we're closing Virginia XYZ and you aren't a brother anymore." Would you love your organization after that?
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Let me point out that SigEp did offer them alum status, but they rejected it.
I'm not taking sides here in the nationals-chapter debate, but I do think both sides were in the wrong to some extent. Ie, nationals would come in and they would make NO effort to get along with them. However, some of the expectations nationals had for them were not the best--ie the numbers thing. Their nationals wanted them to get like 25 guys--which is more than their house could hold and definately more than any chapter can get considering the size of our school.
I know for a fact that they did haze, also. Nothing bad considered in the big, overall scheme of W&L hazing (think cattle prods) but that was sort of lurking below the surface. I know of only 2-3 fraternities on campus that don't haze physically and none that don't haze at all. I don't support any kind of hazing, and even though the SigEps were pretty mild (probably considered "normal" even by a lot of the guys on GC) I don't think that helped--like a nationals guy came by one Hell Week and found pledges living in the basement of the house, totally sleep deprived, and put an end to it.
My impression of the SigEp nationals is that they are a LOT more watchful than many national orgs on our campus (probably the fact that we're only 2.5 hours from the HQ contributes). The Virginia Epsilon chapter was definately a great chapter, but I think in many ways they shot themselves in the foot by the way they interacted with and responded to their HQ.